jwhit34 Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I'm thinking that one of the considerations in the decision to release Fred Jackson was who would be active on game days. Presuming that they keep 4 RBs, if they kept Fred the 4 RBs would have most likely been McCoy, Jackson, Dixon and Williams. Like last year, they probably only dress 3 on game days, and my guess that would have been: McCoy - obvious Williams - #2 back and special teams contributor Dixon - special teams and goal line runner They may have felt that taking the PR hit and releasing him so he could latch on somewhere else vs. the PR nightmare of him not suiting up on Sundays was the lesser of two evils. This may have been the "other considerations" that they alluded to.
UCLight5 Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I bet that this played a HUGE factor in his release. With the (preseason) emergence of Karlos and Boobie's stud special teams play, there wasn't enough room for Fred on the 47 man game day roster. I hate to see him go, but this is the reality. If Shady or Karlos get hurt (again), Bryce is there to step in. Go Bills!
YoloinOhio Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Yes, especially because of his stature on the team as leader/captain. It would have been awkward. I think it was the right decision for both sides, regardless of how painful.
Chuck Wagon Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Don't overlook the ability to utilize Percy out of the backfield and as a 3rd down back. In 2011 with the Vikings he had 52 carries for 345 yards, last year in 8 games with the Jets he had 22 carries for 110 yards, the Vikings frequently lined him up at tailback.
Juice_32 Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Don't overlook the ability to utilize Percy out of the backfield and as a 3rd down back. In 2011 with the Vikings he had 52 carries for 345 yards, last year in 8 games with the Jets he had 22 carries for 110 yards, the Vikings frequently lined him up at tailback.I didn't realize that. Good point!
playman Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 i still expect bryce to be cut too for the same reasons. no spt value + his fumbles
billieve420 Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I also think that Mccoy had something to do with the team's thinking as well. Not him personally just that with Fred here he is the team leader the fan favorite. Mccoy would be in his shadow and I think front office wanted to move on now and prevent any future distractions down the road. I would like to think Mccoy would not be the jealous type but there is a childish vibe he gives off. Fred's release means this is Mccoy's team going forward.
TPS Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Brown is the insurance if McCoy goes down. He'll make the team but most liky sit out games for reason noted above.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) I'm thinking that one of the considerations in the decision to release Fred Jackson was who would be active on game days. Presuming that they keep 4 RBs, if they kept Fred the 4 RBs would have most likely been McCoy, Jackson, Dixon and Williams. Like last year, they probably only dress 3 on game days, and my guess that would have been: McCoy - obvious Williams - #2 back and special teams contributor Dixon - special teams and goal line runner They may have felt that taking the PR hit and releasing him so he could latch on somewhere else vs. the PR nightmare of him not suiting up on Sundays was the lesser of two evils. This may have been the "other considerations" that they alluded to. This is good thinking, but you need to flip it around a bit. If there was a real chance FredEx wouldn't dress on Sunday, it would mean that his role on the team had become too limited to keep his spot on the roster - not because he might not be able to play with or even outplay the other backup RBs on offense, but because he's no longer a special team contributor. Fredex was getting paid too much to sit in civvies on game day. You want a cheap insurance backup for that role (Brown) Every year we cut players that have fans shaking their heads because we see them playing better than a player who was kept at their primary position. ST is always the hidden roster driver, along with cost per perceived value. I *think* they plan to keep 4 RB, but it's possible they like Wood and plan to stash him on the practice squad. Edited September 1, 2015 by Hopeful
jwhit34 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Posted September 1, 2015 This is good thinking, but you need to flip it around a bit. If there was a real chance FredEx wouldn't dress on Sunday, it would mean that his role on the team had become too limited to keep his spot on the roster - not because he might not be able to play with or even outplay the other backup RBs on offense, but because he's no longer a special team contributor. Fredex was getting paid too much to sit in civvies on game day. You want a cheap insurance backup for that role (Brown) Every year we cut players that have fans shaking their heads because we see them playing better than a player who was kept at their primary position. ST is always the hidden roster driver, along with cost per perceived value. I *think* they plan to keep 4 RB, but it's possible they like Wood and plan to stash him on the practice squad. I agree with this too.
ricojes Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) I'm thinking that one of the considerations in the decision to release Fred Jackson was who would be active on game days. Presuming that they keep 4 RBs, if they kept Fred the 4 RBs would have most likely been McCoy, Jackson, Dixon and Williams. Like last year, they probably only dress 3 on game days, and my guess that would have been: McCoy - obvious Williams - #2 back and special teams contributor Dixon - special teams and goal line runner They may have felt that taking the PR hit and releasing him so he could latch on somewhere else vs. the PR nightmare of him not suiting up on Sundays was the lesser of two evils. This may have been the "other considerations" that they alluded to. This theory was posted in the "RB Fred Jackson released" thread and it could be possible. Edited September 1, 2015 by ricojes
Captain Hindsight Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 This was my thinking. Wanted to do the best for everyone involved. It hurt to see Freddy go, but I absolutely understood it
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I think it was this and nine other things and exactly as Whaley and Rex described it as. A very tough decision based on a lot of factors for the overall good of the team short, mid and long term. But it's a good point. They can't keep four active when you only play one at a time. I just think Karlos beat him out as a backup to McCoy and being a ST guy and battering ram short yardage guy with breakaway speed.
Wayne Cubed Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I think it was this and nine other things and exactly as Whaley and Rex described it as. A very tough decision based on a lot of factors for the overall good of the team short, mid and long term. But it's a good point. They can't keep four active when you only play one at a time. I just think Karlos beat him out as a backup to McCoy and being a ST guy and battering ram short yardage guy with breakaway speed. Exactly. They did give Fred a chance on ST, when they tried him as a punt returner. I really think they tried their hardest to find a spot for him on the roster but ultimately couldn't.
Utah John Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 It will be a shame if Shady and Karlos Williams become the next Joe Piscopo. You young'uns won't remember this, but when the original Saturday Night Live cast moved on, the lead guy in the next gatch of cast members was a guy named Joe Piscopo. He wasn't bad, but he also wasn't Belushi, Aykroyd, Murray, etc. He once described himself as the most hated person in America. All because he followed some special and treasured actors. Shady and Karlos deserve to be thought of on their own, not as the guy who made Fred Jackson expendable.
BreezeMafia Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I'm thinking that one of the considerations in the decision to release Fred Jackson was who would be active on game days. Presuming that they keep 4 RBs, if they kept Fred the 4 RBs would have most likely been McCoy, Jackson, Dixon and Williams. Like last year, they probably only dress 3 on game days, and my guess that would have been: McCoy - obvious Williams - #2 back and special teams contributor Dixon - special teams and goal line runner They may have felt that taking the PR hit and releasing him so he could latch on somewhere else vs. the PR nightmare of him not suiting up on Sundays was the lesser of two evils. This may have been the "other considerations" that they alluded to. Well said.....Iike it.
DanInUticaTampa Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 i still expect bryce to be cut too for the same reasons. no spt value + his fumbles im thinking this too. Especially since we are keeping a FB presumably. I think brown is still on the bubble
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 with 5 backs .... someone had to get cut. My guess is that both salary and injury history were part of the decision.
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Schopp (I know I know) said that his info is that Rex, pegs and Whaley (and the staff) all agreed upon and knew Fred was going to be cut. They just didn't know how or when. The "rogue" part is that he went ahead and did it monday morning and certain people were not in the loop on the timing. Edited September 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio
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