Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Chancellor Angela Merkel said Germany must respond to the European refugee crisis with the same resolve it showed in rescuing banks and her government will spend billions of euros to handle the tide of migrants. As the migration of people fleeing war and poverty strains Germany’s welcome and sows discord in the European Union, Merkel warned on Monday that the the EU’s passport-free travel zone is at risk. EU governments also shouldn’t discriminate against refugees on the basis of their religion, she said. While the 28 EU countries have to find joint solutions, Germany has a duty to step up as Europe’s biggest economy and to treat the new arrivals as a potential enrichment for the country’s job market, Merkel told a news conference in Berlin. “German thoroughness is great, but right now we need German flexibility,” she said. “We have many examples where we showed we can respond. Remember the bank rescues. During the international financial crisis, the federal and state governments pushed through the necessary legislation in a matter of days.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-31/merkel-says-germans-must-fight-xenophobia-as-europe-faces-crisis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) This is a very very delicate issue over there. The economies are not doing well in Southern Europe and they aren't happy with the influx of immigrants. Edited September 1, 2015 by meazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 "German flexibility?" That's a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Excellent experiment. Let's see how European socialism holds up after their nations are no longer homogenous both ethnically and culturally, and are bogged down by hordes to third world immigrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 This is a very very delicate issue over there. The economies are not doing well in Southern Europe and they aren't happy with the influx of immigrants. Absolutely. But they are going to keep coming, how many hundreds have drowned just this month alone trying to escape? That should show the measure of their resolve, something will have to be done sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Absolutely. But they are going to keep coming, how many hundreds have drowned just this month alone trying to escape? That should show the measure of their resolve, something will have to be done sooner rather than later. Let me be the devil's advocate. Where are these hordes coming from and what is causing it? Should not the root cause(s) be addressed rather than accept the inevitability of a major change in a country's makeup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Let me be the devil's advocate. Where are these hordes coming from and what is causing it? Should not the root cause(s) be addressed rather than accept the inevitability of a major change in a country's makeup? Certainly. But finding a solution to the problem is going to take longer than the EU can probably afford to wait considering the numbers of refugees fleeing daily. I think it would have to be a two handed effort, and it's one we should be helping with on a large scale. Regardless of the politics, this crisis is at least partially because the allies detonated a government, sewed the seeds of chaos, and then left. It's as much our responsibility to rectify the situation as it is Europe's... in my mind at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Excellent experiment. Let's see how European socialism holds up after their nations are no longer homogenous both ethnically and culturally, and are bogged down by hordes to third world immigrants. That's easy. Ikea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Excellent experiment. Let's see how European socialism holds up after their nations are no longer homogenous both ethnically and culturally, and are bogged down by hordes to third world immigrants. Say goodbye to European culture. No borders. No nations. Only a one world government. How exciting. Gee kinda sounds like here opening the border welcoming 3rd world central america. You might come to the conclusion it's all planned. bah that's just a silly conspiracy theory. Edited September 1, 2015 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Certainly. But finding a solution to the problem is going to take longer than the EU can probably afford to wait considering the numbers of refugees fleeing daily. I think it would have to be a two handed effort, and it's one we should be helping with on a large scale. Regardless of the politics, this crisis is at least partially because the allies detonated a government, sewed the seeds of chaos, and then left. It's as much our responsibility to rectify the situation as it is Europe's... in my mind at least. So, are you saying that the pullout from Iraq and the bombing of Libya and Syria created a vacuum in the area thus enabling ISIS, and that is the major reason for all of the refugees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Say goodbye to European culture. No borders. No nations. Only a one world government. How exciting. Gee kinda sounds like here opening the border welcoming 3rd world central america. You might come to the conclusion it's all planned. bah that's just a silly conspiracy theory. Maybe one day the GOP can aspire to be just like the Jobbik Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Say goodbye to European culture. No borders. No nations. Only a one world government. How exciting. Gee kinda sounds like here opening the border welcoming 3rd world central america. You might come to the conclusion it's all planned. bah that's just a silly conspiracy theory. Yep, Germany and other European countries letting them in are committing national and continental suicide, essentially. Europe is going to gradually Islam-ify into Eurabia over the course of the next, say, 30 years. Mass white flight of white Christians from Eurabia will begin in a couple of decades. It'll be interesting to see who's in control of American government at that time. If it's the Left, those poor European Christians will be denied entrance. No open borders for white Christians, you see. Go back to Eurabia to receive your well-deserved Sharia be-heading, infidels! If, on the other hand, this Trump insurgency is able to re-align working-class Americans (from both GOP and Dems) into a political force that wants to feel pride in America (unlike Obama who apologizes for it), then it's possible the Right will be in control of America at that point. In which case we can save those white Christians, provided they pass a lie detector test about whether they are still socialist and open-borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yep, Germany and other European countries letting them in are committing national and continental suicide, essentially. Europe is going to gradually Islam-ify into Eurabia over the course of the next, say, 30 years. Mass white flight of white Christians from Eurabia will begin in a couple of decades. It'll be interesting to see who's in control of American government at that time. If it's the Left, those poor European Christians will be denied entrance. No open borders for white Christians, you see. Go back to Eurabia to receive your well-deserved Sharia be-heading, infidels! If, on the other hand, this Trump insurgency is able to re-align working-class Americans (from both GOP and Dems) into a political force that wants to feel pride in America (unlike Obama who apologizes for it), then it's possible the Right will be in control of America at that point. In which case we can save those white Christians, provided they pass a lie detector test about whether they are still socialist and open-borders. When you go to retire for the evening, do you check underneath your bed for any boogie men? I hear they can be pretty scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 So, are you saying that the pullout from Iraq and the bombing of Libya and Syria created a vacuum in the area thus enabling ISIS, and that is the major reason for all of the refugees? Absolutely, but it wasn't the only cause. This situation was triggered by the decision to go into Iraq in the first place, the sins cover the past two administrations not just Obama or not just W. Regardless, there's blood on our hands as well as the rest of the allies in terms of this situation. We should shoulder some of the burden in helping with this refugee crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Excellent experiment. Let's see how European socialism holds up after their nations are no longer homogenous both ethnically and culturally, and are bogged down by hordes to third world immigrants. European socialism? I thought you wanted a decentralized federal government. Isn't Europe just like how you want it? Almost no central government, states having all the power and 25% unemployment in some of those states (countries) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Irregardless of whose fault it is, any able country should help out in a humanitarian crisis of this magnitude. They are literally being hunted down, starved and displaced from their homes. Where are they suppose to go? Send them back to their eventual deaths or at best life of extreme famine back to their homes? It is the responsibility of the nations that are able to do what they can to provide refuge until things stabilize back in their homes. That's not to say have them become citizens of that particular country, just help out. And if you notice, the only country that is stopping them with militant force is Hungary. Why does that matter? Because Hungary is to my knowledge the only country out there run by a far-right nationalistic government. And look who supports that, not surprisingly it's Ozy, the Trump supporter. Edited September 1, 2015 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yep, Germany and other European countries letting them in are committing national and continental suicide, essentially. Europe is going to gradually Islam-ify into Eurabia over the course of the next, say, 30 years. Will the Sabres some day have a Swedish goaltender named Abul Mohammad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 European socialism? I thought you wanted a decentralized federal government. Isn't Europe just like how you want it? Almost no central government, states having all the power and 25% unemployment in some of those states (countries) WTH? Are you implying that Europe is a country comprised of individual states? What a dumb post. Really really REALLY dumb. Like staggeringly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 WTH? Are you implying that Europe is a country comprised of individual states? What a dumb post. Really really REALLY dumb. Like staggeringly so. You just try too hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 You just try too hard You clearly don't try hard enough. It's not difficult for most people to use common sense, clearly for you it's a struggle. Europe is now one country under Gator logic. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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