Enough incoherence/whining from WGR re: EJ

[Agent 91]

So what if EJ is the 3rd string QB this season?

 

Were they still wrong, biased, unfair, and dumb? Or would people then begin attacking Roman and Rex?

33% chance. Its not exactly a bold prediction.he has run with the 3s why is that implausible? And yes they are still slanted and they are still dumb. I predicted Eric Berry was gonna go to KC on draft day and i have documented on here that we were taking John Miller in rd 3. Im not leroi and i have no inside connections. But even a garbage can gets a steak. You keep fishing you are bound to get something right. At some point. What makes them an authority? Why should we think anything else of them for pointing out the obvious... now if they predicted EJ or Matt Simms was gonna be the starter and THAT came to fruition... i would personally apologize to them and withdraw myself from TBD.

[A Dog Named Kelso]

That's because EJ sucked and he deserves the criticism. He still hasn't developed like he should with the natural abilities he possesses. Quit trying to play the bias card when most everyone knows that there is a REASON why two coaching staffs have now placed EJ in a non-starting role. What must it take for you EJ apologists to get it?

But Cassel has doesn't have any negatives in his background? People are not apologizing for EJ ... please point to all the EJ should be the starter posts. They are talking, especially in this discussion, about how bias the media in there coverage of him.

Edited August 26, 2015 by A Dog Named Kelso

[metzelaars_lives]

 

 

You obviously have a stake in being proven right about your feeling the EJ is not going to happen.

 

Your zeal for the inverse is the same as those who want Tebow or EJ to succeed.

Nope. I would love to eat my words on EJ. My stake lies simply in rooting for the Bills. That's it. I'm not flying from Denver to Buffalo for three home games this year to root against EJ.

[PolishDave]

The only time, and I mean only time, that I listen to WGR is when I want to hear post-game comments from coaches/players, or when I'm listening to play-by-play since I cannot watch the game.

 

There is absolutely no other reason to do so...I cannot fathom why anyone does.

Yes agreed.

 

This forum actually has the best back and forth Bills talk that I have found anywhere. I wish it was available in audio format on WGR in the 3-7pm time slot.

[PlayoffsPlease]

Why does any fan of the team care what the name of the starting QB is?

[The Wiz]

Why does any fan of the team care what the name of the starting QB is?

because there is about 5% of the TBD population that needs to say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" Another 5% to carry on the hated for said starter and the rest of us will watch while we cheer and complain like normal fans until the next qb competition. Edited August 26, 2015 by The Wiz

[3rdand12]

Yes agreed.

 

This forum actually has the best back and forth Bills talk that I have found anywhere. I wish it was available in audio format on WGR in the 3-7pm time slot.

now that would be something

[harv shitz]

I don't listen to Schopp anymore. He's brutal.

I never did like him. I thought he was an arrogant D-bag the first time I ever heard him. Now, years later, I still feel the same way I did years ago.

 

He likes a good discussion, so he states, but I never hear him have a discussion with anyone, because he is so condescending to everyone who even bothers to call in. I have listened to him a little bit lately, after a near 3 year hiatus, mostly because I want to listen to Bills talk, and I can listen during the time he is on. I so wish we had an alternative to him and his boorish attitude.

[dubs]

 

 

What don't you get about this? These call in shows are this way by design. Look at the biggest in the industry--like WFAN, who at one point employed two of the dumbest guys in sports radio on the same show (they still employ one of them). The WANT guys like you and OC to get all hot and bothered about their dumb talent's dumb comments. They know you're listening and that's all that matters.

 

And do you really think a Buffalo pizza log company and a liquor store are NOT going to advertise on a channel like WGR...ever? Only prohibitively high ad rates would keep these companies off the channel. They don't care what you think about what Bulldog thinks about EJ Manuel...

And do you really think a Buffalo pizza log company and a liquor store are NOT going to advertise on a channel like WGR...ever?

 

Haha!! That's awesome. Top 10 comment I've seen on here. Bravo!

[3rdand12]

Why does any fan of the team care what the name of the starting QB is?

we all want to win and we all have an opinion about how to do that> thats okay. as long as that is understood going in.

 

 

No right no wrong.

 

well some wrong.

 

okay quite a bit wrong'

 

okay WTF is with people!

 

IDIOTS !

DC TOM was RIGHT

[The Wiz]

now that would be something

Would probably be along the lines of when celebrities do ask me anything's on Reddit but bills related. I could get into that.

I never did like him. I thought he was an arrogant D-bag the first time I ever heard him. Now, years later, I still feel the same way I did years ago.

 

He likes a good discussion, so he states, but I never hear him have a discussion with anyone, because he is so condescending to everyone who even bothers to call in. I have listened to him a little bit lately, after a near 3 year hiatus, mostly because I want to listen to Bills talk, and I can listen during the time he is on. I so wish we had an alternative to him and his boorish attitude.

His good discussions are usually farfetched topics that are out of his league or the caller agrees with him and backs up his point.

we all want to win and we all have an opinion about how to do that> thats okay. as long as that is understood going in.

 

 

No right no wrong.

 

well some wrong.

 

okay quite a bit wrong'

 

okay WTF is with people!

 

IDIOTS !

DC TOM was RIGHT

You had me hooked until the end and then turned it into a M. Night Shamalamadingdong movie.

[3rdand12]

Would probably be along the lines of when celebrities do ask me anything's on Reddit but bills related. I could get into that.

His good discussions are usually farfetched topics that are out of his league or the caller agrees with him and backs up his point.

You had me hooked until the end and then turned it into a M. Night Shamalamadingdong movie.

 

oops!

Never been a good closer in the ninth inning.

working on it.

 

not even a little scary?

[Mr. WEO]

And do you really think a Buffalo pizza log company and a liquor store are NOT going to advertise on a channel like WGR...ever?

 

Haha!! That's awesome. Top 10 comment I've seen on here. Bravo!

 

 

I know, it does seem an absurd sentence to type.

 

Friggin "pizza log" company.....

[dubs]

 

 

I know, it does seem an absurd sentence to type.

 

Friggin "pizza log" company.....

Great stuff.

 

It's all..about...the sauce...

 

Ok Radio Boy?

[TSOL]

 

 

I know, it does seem an absurd sentence to type.

 

Friggin "pizza log" company.....

Its not just a friggin' pizza log company, its THE friggin' official pizza log of the Buffalo Bills AND Buffalo Sabres company

[jester43]

I have listened to WGR very sparingly over the last week, however, each and every time I have I heard the same 4-5 statements made by multiple hosts, with regard to their coverage of EJ this preseason.

 

These statements are either bereft of logic, or, on par with the whining of a 2nd grader. Once again I heard Jeremy White re-hash this crap this morning, and normally I wouldn't care, but, enough is enough. So let's get to it:

 

1. "We have been getting emails and tweets that our coverage has been biased against EJ"

 

You don't say? Well, this morining Sal Capaccio said "We aren't as bad off at QB as was expected. It's a tribute to Greg Roman being able to get these QBs ready to play....EVEN EJ." Ah, when you say schit like this, what, exactly, do you expect listeners to conclude?

 

Hey WGR? Fans have observed a clear pattern of behavior from you. Why the F else are you getting the response? Mass Hysteria? A conspiracy to troll you? No. You are causing this problem with comments like that, and instead of introspection, it's blame the fans?

 

I literally heard...what you say you aren't doing...in 2 separate instances this MORNING!, never mind this past week.

 

I like Sal, but, Sal? You chose those words, not the fans. Why throw in the "...even EJ"? Greg Roman has done a good job with all 3 QBs. Well, that is supposedly Sal's premise. Greg Roman is being paid a compliment...so why is the "...even EJ" necessary? It is not. It's totally irrelevent...so why say it? Answer: bias, supporting the choice, made long ago, that EJ == Bad.

 

2. "Either we are liars, or, we don't know how to do our jobs".

 

Holy drama batman. Yes, arguing to the extreme isn't a logical fallacy or anything. Follow that link fellas.

 

Nobody is accusing you of being liars. Some of us have been accusing some of you of not doing your jobs for a decade+ (anybody want to have a meat draft? ) so this is nothing new, and not specific to EJ coverage.

 

The simple fact is that these aren't the only 2 outcomes, and to suggest otherwise is childish. There is all sorts of research that shows the influenece one person or group can have on others. Both confidence bias, and choice-supportive bias are very real, every day occurances that are much more likely to be the culprits here, than intentional deceit, conspiracy, or staggering incompetence. Groupthink is also infinitely more likely, especially in this case, since the QB issue is so acute. Everyone knows the problem, its importance, and thus fears making a mistake, and its consequences, as both will be maginfied. It's much safer, and natural, for everybody to run in the herd together, and nobody strays too far away. This is prime Groupthink territory. Do the reading.

 

So, please, enough with the incoherent emoting. Nobody is accusing you of anything...other than not seeing your own bias. And that's perfectly normal. IF you could see the bias, you wouldn't have it(unless you really did have an agenda).

 

In ALL cases, liar/incompetent aren't the only 2 possible outcomes. I'm not sure WGR's coverage is biased, because I haven't listened enough. But,it sure smells like it given what I've heard in the last 24, especially the statements I've bolded.

 

3. "We do this for a job"

 

What are we doing? Running through EVERY logical fallacy? Now it's Argument from Authority? Thus, this thread is necessary.

 

Do you really want to have this conversation? How about with X and Os, or draft, or other heavy content posters here? Why is it that every time I write a heavy content post here...my topic is discussed by WGR the next day?(Most recent example: 1985 Bears-->46 Defense == WGR articles and air devoted < 24 hours after my post.)

 

This is 2 Bills Drive, and I have news: WE do this for a job too, often 2-3x better than you, and have for years. The only real difference is that we don't get paid, and we aren't "required by our job to watch the Jets game where EJ was horrible". We'd do that anyway. The WGR host/reporter/contributor who thinks they can go toe to toe on Bills Football with any heavy duty poster here is fooling themselves.

 

According to some respected posters here: WGR has an anti-EJ bias. These people have a long history of being right about this team. WGR is just starting to get some football credibility with Sal Capaccio(ahem, see? I have no bias), who actually knows the Xs and Os well enough to discuss them(unlike others at WGR who refuse to learn the game, and defend that by telling us that Xs and Os are: boring...to Bills fans, of all people. /facepalm Hint: This is not Miami.)

 

WGR: You have a problem. Stop blaming others. Don't argue from authority. Especially when you haven't earned said authority. Your work has been shoddy at best...which...is WHY 2 Bills Drive exists.

 

4. "This is coming from some weird place amongst the fans".

 

Um no, the reason fans are saying WGR's coverage is biased: is because it's empirical.

 

Get over yourselves. Fans simply don't care that much about WGR. The notion that this started in some evil little corner of the internet/twitterverse, dedicated solely to the downfall of WGR, is patently retarded.

 

The fans are responding to: you, WGR. If you don't want to hear the calls and see the emails? Simple: clean up your act. Be conscious of the feedback, aware that you DO say things like "...even EJ"...and make the necessary corrections. Realize that people aren't pointing this out because there's something wrong with them. They are pointing it out because there's something wrong with you. As soon as your behavior changes, the response will change.

 

I am tired of the whining as well. You ARE getting paid to do a job. We AREN'T getting paid to listen to you. I am sick and tired of hearing you B word about doing a job you signed up for, and all that comes with it. Keep your whining to yourselves, look inside, realize you are the cause of your own problem, and, how's about resolving to do a better job?

 

Beats the hell out of more incoherent/weak arguments and whining.

 

5. My personal favorite "We are reading the TEA leaves from the coaches/We are merely reacting to what the coaches are saying"

 

Q1: Who asks the coaches the questions?

A1: The media.

C1: What the "coaches are saying" is driven mostly by the media's questions and how they are framed.

QED. The notion that the media is merely reacting in this situation, is patently retarded. Especially when we consider the fact that "reading the TEA leaves" is the basis for most of this analysis.

 

WGR: You are telling us that most of your work is based solely on interpretation....EVERYWHERE! Interpretation of what you see on the field, interpretation of what the coaches are saying, interpretation of how EJ answers the question "How do you expect things to go at your next team?" (No bias in that question at all)

 

NOTHING here is empirical. ALL is based on interpretation...and WGR people are trying to tell us that there's 0 chance for bias?

 

Here's what I do for a job: tell people like WGR that they are the opposite of right, because this environment is the MOST likely to produce bias. Enough delusion, dissonance, problem denial and shifting the blame to fans as though they are the cause.

 

Enough whining and blaming fans for merely responding to what they can clearly see is broken.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[PromoTheRobot]

So 15 years of not making the playoffs, and not acquiring a franchise QB since Kelly, and WGR is the problem? You don't want reporting, you want cheerleaders. Yeesh!

You want people who know something about the sports they cover.

[Mr. WEO]

Great stuff.

 

It's all..about...the sauce...

 

Ok Radio Boy?

 

 

The part where the public should pressure the advertisers (what, eat even fewer pizza logs than they already do?) only added the the goofiness of this thread.

 

You want people who know something about the sports they cover.

 

Listeners will never concede that the radio guy talk show guy knows more than them...

[Smiley Dear]

I still have this feeling that the bills look at EJ Manuel as their developmental player and that is why they are keeping 3.......

 

Cassell is a vet and Tyrod has more years in the NFL......so they are going with those two this year.........but I really think that if EJ can continue his progression (and say what you want....EJ HAS gotten better) that he might be in serious consideration next year.

This is my feeling as well. It would be absolutely asinine to bail on EJ now, which I'd what all those reporters keep saying is possible

[PastaJoe]

You want people who know something about the sports they cover.

Other than Schoop and the Bulldog, the morning crew and the reporters are knowledgable. But some don't like them because they make critical observations as opposed to being cheerleaders.