The Bills are going to do well, and the Patriots are not.

[ExWNYer]

I love these threads.. The Pats are on a downward slope and aren't gonna be good..

 

Then they win the SuperBowl. I'll write them off when they start losing regular season games and miss the playoffs.

 

This. As much as I'd love it to be true and as much as I can't stand them, I'll believe it when I actually see it. I put no stock in the preseason, whatsoever....whether they're playing poorly or well.

[jester43]

 

HGH keeps one young. I have no idea what Brady is doing but for anyone that followed his college career, his arm is DIFFERENT now. He was drafted in the 6th round for a reason and that was his terrible arm. Even in his first few years in the league, Brady never threw more than 15 yards. 5 years later and he is now throwing all over the field. Another Patriot miracle.

Effing guy (and all NFL players) can do ANY DAMN PED HE WANTS. Any type of roids, hgh, epo, peptide, etc etc. In Brady's case, he can certainly afford to keep a cadre of Drs on call to keep him right at the threshold of a positive test....they way t&f people have been doing it for years.

 

It's called microdosing, and Brady no doubt plans to engage in it if he expects to be a productive NFL qb up to the preposterous age of 45.

 

What an incredible narcissist.

[NoSaint]

Effing guy (and all NFL players) can do ANY DAMN PED HE WANTS. Any type of roids, hgh, epo, peptide, etc etc. In Brady's case, he can certainly afford to keep a cadre of Drs on call to keep him right at the threshold of a positive test....they way t&f people have been doing it for years.

 

It's called microdosing, and Brady no doubt plans to engage in it if he expects to be a productive NFL qb up to the preposterous age of 45.

 

What an incredible narcissist.

Who retires first- Brady or Freddy? Both think they have quite a few left. Edited August 23, 2015 by NoSaint

[Mr. WEO]

 

Or will we start to see results more closely inline with what you would expect (and have seen) from literally every other athletic competition that has been held in the history of man playing sport against fellow man in the absence of cheating?

 

 

 

Can you list every other athletic competition held in the history of man playing sport that, literally, included the absence of cheating?

[White Linen]

Promise?

 

Yeah

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Amid all the talks of Deflategate;

of Suh signing in Miami;

of Geno getting his jaw broken;

 

I'm curious if anyone has tuned into any AFC Eastern preseason games this summer?

 

For once, in the decade and a half reign of the Patriots*, they don't just look beatable--they look bad.

 

Last night against the Saints starters, Tommy and the Patriots looked equally as inept as the Bills offense from 2009--you may recall, the offense that led to AVP getting canned as Buf's OC the week before the season started. And their defense, (the one that lost Revis, Wilfork, Browner), to paraphrase a much earlier observation by Bart Scott "couldn't stop a nose bleed".

 

In about a quarter of game action last night, the Saints starters raced out to a 21-0 lead and absolutely embarrassed the Patriots. Yes, the Patriots eventually "won" the game, with the bottom of their roster putting up 12 points in the fourth quarter to salvage a 26-24 win. But make no mistake, this is NOT a talented Patriots team. If you factor in the likelihood that Tom Brady will have to play with regulation equipment this year, and other teams may be on a witch hunt to expose their cheating once and for all, meaning the organization may have to play by the rules outlined for the other 31 clubs... Dare I say the Patriots might be lucky to break .500?

 

As a thought experiment: Imagine a game against the Patriots where Brady throws the ball like he did against Kansas City, their offense turns the ball over at a clip equal to other NFL teams (both due to playing with balls inflated to legal PSI's). What would be the results? Likely similar to the first quarter of last night's game against New Orleans, which very much looked like a team with no talent, led by a 6th round QB, getting pancaked by a far superior Saints squad. Now imagine the push of our defensive line complicating things, or the Jets D line (Leonard Williams could win league MVP, forget rookie of the year), or the Dolphins D line with Suh.

 

Contrast that with the Bills, who finally... for once... look like a "modern" NFL team: Their defense is off the field quickly, their special teams are electric and create good field position, and the first team offense has been moving the ball fairly well--despite missing nearly their entire stable of skill players. The Bills have the look, demeanor, and general talent level to win 10 games with their eyes closed, and 12-14 wins seems very much in play.

 

When you factor in the Patriots other 4 games against tougher divisional opponents, not to mention a (possible) Brady suspension, it is damn hard to imagine that team winning more than 8 games.

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc4vz97g5GA

[Gordio]

Johnny, a little early to be hittin the bottle isn't it? Just kidding, and you make decent points, but this is Tom Brady. As one other post mentioned, they looked like crap in the beginning of last year, the Chiefs embarrassed them, the Fish beat them soundly, and the media went on about how it was the end of an era for Brady Belicheck. Then this little thing happened and Tom's whining on the sidelines turned into a focused and angry team that ripped off mostly wins the rest of the year except the Packers. You can't count us as they sat their starters.

 

Now, am I giving up hope, NO. Yes, we know they may be without Marsha, Marsha, Marsha for maybe 2-4 games, and yes they lost the three players you mentioned along with a couple of older O-Lineman. I just won't discount them. I am betting there will be a three way race for the AFCE with us, the Pats, and the Fish. I can see all three teams being 10-5 going into the last game of the season. I see the Jets rebuilding and are maybe 8-8. We play the Jets the last game, so I sure have my fingers crossed for 11-5 and winning the AFCE. The Pats play in Miami, so hopefully we sweep Miami and win by divisional record. That would be exciting watching the Pats miss the playoffs even with a 10-6 record.

 

Anyway, I love your optimism, so I'm not busting your chops, I just never get too overconfident when it comes to the Pats.

 

 

I totally hear what your saying but remember father time is still undefeated. Can't play & be good forever. Brady's time is coming to an end. It may not be this year, may not be next year but it is on the horizon. If sports over the years has taught us anything is that this game is cyclical. You can't stay on top forever. All the great dynasties come crashing down sooner or later. It is going to be a whole lot of fun to watch the Roman Empire better known as the Patriots organization crash & burn when it finally does happen.

[3rdand12]

 

Yeah

Fair enough.

Lets get the bastards down and kick sand in their collective faces !!

 

 

I totally hear what your saying but remember father time is still undefeated. Can't play & be good forever. Brady's time is coming to an end. It may not be this year, may not be next year but it is on the horizon. If sports over the years has taught us anything is that this game is cyclical. You can't stay on top forever. All the great dynasties come crashing down sooner or later. It is going to be a whole lot of fun to watch the Roman Empire better known as the Patriots organization crash & burn when it finally does happen.

and Rome was one hell of a fire wasnt it Nero?

[Wazzu Bill]

I agree I have been posting on yahoo that the pats will be a .500 team bc their cheating is finally done and over. Other teams will be on their toes and aware. They will have contingencicy plans for playing the cheats. I think this will hurt them.

 

The pats always start slow and finish strong bc it takes them a while to build up their cheating database of info on teams. Their amazing halftime adjustments are from illegal spying on other teams communications and locker rooms. Without flat footballs they will turn it over more. Without a coach in his head I will be impossible for Brady to ALWayS find the open guy in the flat. Without these benefits the pats are screwed.

 

HA! Funniest thing I have heard all day

[ThurmasThoman]

The NFL Network will be reairing the Patriots/Panthers matchup from last night, today at 12pm. I strongly encourage those of you not living in the New England region (who did not get a chance to watch live last night) to tune in today before the Bills kick off at 4.

 

Make no mistake: the Patriots are going to be a bad football team this year.

[Maury Ballstein]

Tom Brady >>>>> all the qb's.

 

Until he falls of a cliff we are doomed!!!

[eball]

The NFL Network will be reairing the Patriots/Panthers matchup from last night, today at 12pm. I strongly encourage those of you not living in the New England region (who did not get a chance to watch live last night) to tune in today before the Bills kick off at 4.

 

Make no mistake: the Patriots are going to be a bad football team this year.

 

I started an "NFL Preseason Report W3" thread and included some comments on this game. You are correct, the Pats** did not look good.

[ThurmasThoman]

I really can't emphasize enough how much I believe that their cheating is 100% done and is going to have a significant effect on how they perform as a football team.

 

Please consider the following:

 

Let's say in the future, you and your lovely family are traveling to Hawaii to escape a cold Buffalo winter. You have a lay over in Las Vegas, and decide to spend a night at a high end casino and play a few rounds of black jack with your significant other. You put on your best dress pants, tuck your shirt in, hell, even your wife looks good enough to keep you off Ashley Madison for the evening. You head down to the floor feeling pretty good about your prospects.

But what's this?

 

The world series of Poker is happening, and it's down to the final 32 players. At first disappointing, you quickly become excited at the prospect of watching 32 of the best Poker players in the world determine who is the best among them, as they do every year. You grab a seat in the rows of folding chairs they have lined up ringing the final tables, order a Coca Cola and some nachos, and settle in for the next best thing to actually playing cards yourself: watching other people play cards.

 

But suddenly: chaos. 31 of the 32 poker players stand up from their seats, point their fingers at one of their competitors, and accuse him of having an ace up his sleeve.

 

I'm going to stop this analogy right here, because it's all that needs to be said to convey what I'm trying to say, and that is this: I respect the opinions of the other card players at the table, much more so than even the most educated of observers in the room who may say "It's impossible--I've been watching that player all game, he's my favorite, he would never cheat!"

 

The Patriots are being accused by their peers of cheating. Again. The New England Patriots are being punished for cheating by their peers, again. The New England Patriots are forfeiting large amounts of cash and draft picks for cheating. AGAIN.

 

Regardless of whether you, your brother, Mike Florio, judge Berman, or every person on the planet feels that the Patriots aren't cheaters, the people that they play this sport against are once again PUNISHING them for being cheaters.

 

You need to subvert your ego in this matter and look at this as objectively as possible: your opinion does not matter. From KellytheDog to WEO, whatever side of the fence you're on; however long you've poured over the Wells report; it's irrelevant. The parties engaged in competitive contests vs. the New England Patriots have not accused... they have PUNISHED... the Patriots for cheating. Again.

 

Their opponents KNOW the Patriots cheated.

 

Please understand that deeply.

The Patriots cheated, according to those they play the game against. Maybe not to those that watch the games, but to those who play the games, it has been "proven beyond a shadow of a doubt". More likely than not? No. It's simply a certainty.

 

This incident has embarrassed the league, and potentially on a deeper level than people are appreciating. Each of the owners knows that having the Patriots win another championship by cheating is NOT a good look for the league, and retribution will be harsh.

 

It is over for that football team.

 

The only person they could get to play there was Reggie Wayne (lol). Their 3 divisional opponents (including, if not especially, us) have built incredibly strong defensive fronts to get after QBs.

 

This season is going to be fun.

 

I have such confidence in their inability to win football games that I am hoping his suspension is overturned. He's got nothin.

 

Put a fork in them Buffalo.

It. Is. Over.

Edited August 29, 2015 by JohnnyGold

[Mr. WEO]

I really can't emphasize enough how much I believe that their cheating is 100% done and is going to have a significant effect on how they perform as a football team.

 

Please consider the following:

 

Let's say in the future, you and your lovely family are traveling to Hawaii to escape a cold Buffalo winter. You have a lay over in Las Vegas, and decide to spend a night at a high end casino and play a few rounds of black jack with your significant other. You put on your best dress pants, tuck your shirt in, hell, even your wife looks good enough to keep you off Ashley Madison for the evening. You head down to the floor feeling pretty good about your prospects.

But what's this?

 

The world series of Poker is happening, and it's down to the final 32 players. At first disappointing, you quickly become excited at the prospect of watching 32 of the best Poker players in the world determine who is the best among them, as they do every year. You grab a seat in the rows of folding chairs they have lined up ringing the final tables, order a Coca Cola and some nachos, and settle in for the next best thing to actually playing cards yourself: watching other people play cards.

 

But suddenly: chaos. 31 of the 32 poker players stand up from their seats, point their fingers at one of their competitors, and accuse him of having an ace up his sleeve.

 

I'm going to stop this analogy right here, because it's all that needs to be said to convey what I'm trying to say, and that is this: I respect the opinions of the other card players at the table, much more so than even the most educated of observers in the room who may say "It's impossible--I've been watching that player all game, he's my favorite, he would never cheat!"

 

The Patriots are being accused by their peers of cheating. Again. The New England Patriots are being punished for cheating by their peers, again. The New England Patriots are forfeiting large amounts of cash and draft picks for cheating. AGAIN.

 

Regardless of whether you, your brother, Mike Florio, judge Berman, or every person on the planet feels that the Patriots aren't cheaters, the people that they play this sport against are once again PUNISHING them for being cheaters.

 

You need to subvert your ego in this matter and look at this as objectively as possible: your opinion does not matter. From KellytheDog to WEO, whatever side of the fence you're on; however long you've poured over the Wells report; it's irrelevant. The parties engaged in competitive contests vs. the New England Patriots have not accused... they have PUNISHED... the Patriots for cheating. Again.

 

Their opponents KNOW the Patriots cheated.

 

Please understand that deeply.

The Patriots cheated, according to those they play the game against. Maybe not to those that watch the games, but to those who play the games, it has been "proven beyond a shadow of a doubt". More likely than not? No. It's simply a certainty.

 

This incident has embarrassed the league, and potentially on a deeper level than people are appreciating. Each of the owners knows that having the Patriots win another championship by cheating is NOT a good look for the league, and retribution will be harsh.

 

It is over for that football team.

 

The only person they could get to play there was Reggie Wayne (lol). Their 3 divisional opponents (including, if not especially, us) have built incredibly strong defensive fronts to get after QBs.

 

This season is going to be fun.

 

I have such confidence in their inability to win football games that I am hoping his suspension is overturned. He's got nothin.

 

Put a fork in them Buffalo.

 

It. Is. Over.

 

Which part of this did you actually edit?

[jester43]

I really can't emphasize enough how much I believe that their cheating is 100% done and is going to have a significant effect on how they perform as a football team.

 

Please consider the following:

 

Let's say in the future, you and your lovely family are traveling to Hawaii to escape a cold Buffalo winter. You have a lay over in Las Vegas, and decide to spend a night at a high end casino and play a few rounds of black jack with your significant other. You put on your best dress pants, tuck your shirt in, hell, even your wife looks good enough to keep you off Ashley Madison for the evening. You head down to the floor feeling pretty good about your prospects.

But what's this?

 

The world series of Poker is happening, and it's down to the final 32 players. At first disappointing, you quickly become excited at the prospect of watching 32 of the best Poker players in the world determine who is the best among them, as they do every year. You grab a seat in the rows of folding chairs they have lined up ringing the final tables, order a Coca Cola and some nachos, and settle in for the next best thing to actually playing cards yourself: watching other people play cards.

 

But suddenly: chaos. 31 of the 32 poker players stand up from their seats, point their fingers at one of their competitors, and accuse him of having an ace up his sleeve.

 

I'm going to stop this analogy right here, because it's all that needs to be said to convey what I'm trying to say, and that is this: I respect the opinions of the other card players at the table, much more so than even the most educated of observers in the room who may say "It's impossible--I've been watching that player all game, he's my favorite, he would never cheat!"

 

The Patriots are being accused by their peers of cheating. Again. The New England Patriots are being punished for cheating by their peers, again. The New England Patriots are forfeiting large amounts of cash and draft picks for cheating. AGAIN.

 

Regardless of whether you, your brother, Mike Florio, judge Berman, or every person on the planet feels that the Patriots aren't cheaters, the people that they play this sport against are once again PUNISHING them for being cheaters.

 

You need to subvert your ego in this matter and look at this as objectively as possible: your opinion does not matter. From KellytheDog to WEO, whatever side of the fence you're on; however long you've poured over the Wells report; it's irrelevant. The parties engaged in competitive contests vs. the New England Patriots have not accused... they have PUNISHED... the Patriots for cheating. Again.

 

Their opponents KNOW the Patriots cheated.

 

Please understand that deeply.

The Patriots cheated, according to those they play the game against. Maybe not to those that watch the games, but to those who play the games, it has been "proven beyond a shadow of a doubt". More likely than not? No. It's simply a certainty.

 

This incident has embarrassed the league, and potentially on a deeper level than people are appreciating. Each of the owners knows that having the Patriots win another championship by cheating is NOT a good look for the league, and retribution will be harsh.

 

It is over for that football team.

 

The only person they could get to play there was Reggie Wayne (lol). Their 3 divisional opponents (including, if not especially, us) have built incredibly strong defensive fronts to get after QBs.

 

This season is going to be fun.

 

I have such confidence in their inability to win football games that I am hoping his suspension is overturned. He's got nothin.

 

Put a fork in them Buffalo.

 

It. Is. Over.

I'll have whatever he's having.

[Kelly the Dog]

I don't even think their serial cheating helps them. And they are not done as long as they have Brady. He will still be great. Plus they are a completely different team when Gronk plays, which he didn't.

 

Their DBs are definitely vulnerable but they will score a lot of points. If Brady is out four games, I can see them losing three of them, however.