BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I don't think people who "rant against EJ" necessarily think that Cassel is great. Look, you mention Kelly Holcomb. I realize that's a name that is always sure to draw a lot of laughs on here but Kelly Holcomb was decent in 2005. If we can get Kelly Holcomb 2005 level of play, the Bills will make the playoffs. EJ Manuel has not achieved Kelly Holcomb 2005 or Matt Cassel 2008/2010 level of play at this stage in his career and there is no guarantee that he will. Again, this doesn't have to be that complicated: just go take the job from Matt Cassel/Tyrod Taylor. If Cassel sucks so bad and EJ has all this magic upside then it shouldn't be that hard. Maybe some Bills Fans want excitement behind the O Line like when Doug Flutie was in Buffalo and these same people have faith in TT and EJ. FACT. I have seen LITTLE of Matt Cassel in the Preseason and what I saw was boring and accumulated ZERO points. Practice is practice. Like preseason games these may or may not relate to live fire football games. And since you keep reminding us there is no guarantee that he won't achieve better level of play by Kelly Holcomb 2005 or Matt Cassel 2008/2010 FTR Please link the Matt Cassel record in KC prior to and just after the one playoff season that Denver coincidentally went 4-12. Edited August 23, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
3rdand12 Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 @ChrisBrownBills Rex infers that all 3 QBs in competition will see time with the starters in next preseason game. #Bills This is getting interesting. Getting interesting?
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 metzelaars_lives, on 23 Aug 2015 - 6:13 PM, said: I don't think people who "rant against EJ" necessarily think that Cassel is great. Look, you mention Kelly Holcomb. I realize that's a name that is always sure to draw a lot of laughs on here but Kelly Holcomb was decent in 2005. If we can get Kelly Holcomb 2005 level of play, the Bills will make the playoffs. EJ Manuel has not achieved Kelly Holcomb 2005 or Matt Cassel 2008/2010 level of play at this stage in his career and there is no guarantee that he will. Again, this doesn't have to be that complicated: just go take the job from Matt Cassel/Tyrod Taylor. If Cassel sucks so bad and EJ has all this magic upside then it shouldn't be that hard. Can you remind me your stance on what you would like the FO to do with EJ? I still have some logic issues with trying to determine if EJ will be "decent" Sound of crickets.
John from Riverside Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I think it is good that EJ gets time with the ones....... It could show that he is worth hanging onto for future consideration
PromoTheRobot Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I don't agree with the bolded. The difference between preparing for TT and Cassel is very big. If they've prepared for an immobile QB that just stands in the pocket, they'll find it harder to deal with what TT brings, in addition to all the other weapons.+1 It changes everything.
mattsox Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 It's Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt, but: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2552901-insider-buzz-rex-ryan-bills-coaching-staff-divided-on-whether-to-start-taylor I agree if it's true...
negativo Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) I don't believe in EJ as a viable option to start. He has the ability to make a nice throw, he has the ability to finish a nice drive, but I don't have faith he can do it consistently enough to be a winner in this league. A good drive followed by 3 terrible quarters...how often have we seen that? That being said, as a Bills fan I certainly don't root for him to fail. I was happy to see him lead the winning drive at the end of the game last week. Maybe he could become a strong backup. If something happens to our starter we aren't dead in the water. That's important in this league, too. We have an intriguing competition right now. I see Taylor as the perfect QB for our offense, provided he can consistently execute at a high level. From the little I've seen he seems to have the right demeanor for it. A calmness under fire that can't be taught.. Meh Cassel is the least interesting, but he does have both short and long term value. Short term he could manage the offense efficiently enough to win games. Long term he could be almost a player coach as a backup/mentor who could keep us afloat if our starter goes down. EJ is in kind of a no-mans land. Still a young guy learning, and has enough physical tools to be viable if his development goes well. That said, he also had significant streaks of poor play that make it hard for any head coach to trust him with the keys to the car. Thus, I still stand by my assessment at the position. 1. Taylor - The possible phenom 2. Cassel - The safety net 3. Manuel - The project Edited August 24, 2015 by negativo
OutOfBubbleGum Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I will feel fine with either Cassel or Taylor starting. Taylor is loads of fun to watch. What will opposing defenses do to practice against him? Dress a chicken in a jersey and have the defense try to catch it?
metzelaars_lives Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Sound of crickets. Sorry if I'm not on here every waking moment. Yes, to remind you and your friend my stance on EJ, I think and hope that they keep him as the third string QB. I think he has shown enough to not get cut outright. And just stop with your assessment of Matt Cassel's preseason play. Again, he was 7 for 8 with a blatant drop and a big gainer that called back. He looked fine. Gay missed a chip shot. So essentially he yielded 3 points in two possessions. EJ Manuel has yielded 2 TD's in essentially a full game- 1 of which was made possible by a very suspect PI call. Congratulations. Everyone on planet Earth knows that if EJ had the two drives Cassel had that you'd be raving about it and telling everyone his passer rating for those two drives. I just ask that people try and remain objective. Maybe some Bills Fans want excitement behind the O Line like when Doug Flutie was in Buffalo and these same people have faith in TT and EJ. FACT. I have seen LITTLE of Matt Cassel in the Preseason and what I saw was boring and accumulated ZERO points. Practice is practice. Like preseason games these may or may not relate to live fire football games. And since you keep reminding us there is no guarantee that he won't achieve better level of play by Kelly Holcomb 2005 or Matt Cassel 2008/2010 FTR Please link the Matt Cassel record in KC prior to and just after the one playoff season that Denver coincidentally went 4-12. And as Kirby Jackson pointed out yesterday, all you guys do is make excuses for EJ's failures and excuses for Cassel's (albeit limited) success. So now, KC "coincidentally" made the playoffs because Denver was 4-12 that year. OK gotcha. The guy had 27 TD's and 7 INT's that year. As FireChan said yesterday, I too will eat my hat if EJ Manuel ever puts up those type of numbers in an NFL season. As if EJ Manuel won the staring job this year, had a great season, took the Bills to the playoffs and made the Pro Bowl (as Cassel did for KC in 2010) but New England went, say, 6-10, you would be like, "yeah well, 'coincidentally' New England had a down year this year..." Edited August 24, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
LeGOATski Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Sorry if I'm not here every waking moment. Yes, to remind you and your friend my stance on EJ, I think and hope that they keep him as the third string QB. I think he has shown enough to not get cut outright. And just stop with your assessment of Matt Cassel's preseason play. Again, he was 7 for 8 with a blatant drop and a big gainer that called back. He looked fine. Gay missed a chip shot. So essentially he yielded 3 points in two possessions. EJ Manuel has yielded 2 TD's in essentially a full game- 1 of which was made possible by a very suspect PI call. Congratulations. Everyone on planet Earth knows that if EJ had the two drives Cassel had that you'd be raving about it. I just ask that people try and remain objective. I think objective people can make a persuasive argument for not starting Cassel. Preseason stats don't mean much. If you're objectively evaluating and projecting Cassel's performance to the regular season, there's nothing to be excited about.
Gordio Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Jason Cole is the same guy who had this report last year @WHTK: LISTEN: Bleacher Report's Jason Cole says "Marrone ignored people telling him EJ Manuel couldn't play." #Bills http://t.co/wBSvJqUMfc Maybe has a source somewhere Or maybe he just popped in the game film of EJ playing & put 2 & 2 together.
metzelaars_lives Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) I think objective people can make a persuasive argument for not starting Cassel. Preseason stats don't mean much. If you're objectively evaluating and projecting Cassel's performance to the regular season, there's nothing to be excited about. I would objectively make a persuasive argument that Tyrod Taylor should start. I know preseason stats don't mean much. But as much as nobody is excited about the idea of Matt Cassel, in his two drives in the first preseason game he looked fine and it's a stretch to use those two drives to pan him. And of course if those were EJ Manuel's only two drives and he too went 7-8 with a drop, the EJ guys would've been hyping him up. That's all I'm saying. Edited August 24, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
LeGOATski Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I would objectively make a persuasive argument that Tyrod Taylor should start. I know preseason stats don't mean much. But as much as nobody is excited about the idea of Matt Cassel, in his two drives in the first preseason game he looked fine and it's a stretch to use those two drives to pan him. And of course if those were EJ Manuel's only two drives and he too went 7-8 with a drop, the EJ guys would've been hyping him up. That's all I'm saying. I agree that you can't pan him. The performance wasn't worthy of attack or to be picked to shreds. However, he checked down often and threw short of the sticks on 3rd down. He didn't take any shots. On that 3rd and 12 before the FG attempt, he stayed with the simple run and settled for the potential points. Did they want him to do that or were they testing him? I don't know, but I'd like to see my QB try to make a play. Be smart about it, but make a calculated effort to get the first. You don't need any more yards for the FG. That run is just a wasted play and a low percentage attempt at the 1st down. That's an acceptable, pre-season play call for a QB who is the entrenched starter, but not for a guy who is in a QB competition. Where's the sense of urgency from him. I'm only seeing the urgency from Tyrod and EJ. I'm not panning his performance. I'm just saying it was the typical back-up performance. Playing it safe. Very Matt Cassel-esque.
reddogblitz Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Im on board with T-Mobile. He's fun and definitely no worse then EJ or Cassel. Can't we come up with nicknames for our players that aren't corporate logos? First "Fred-Ex", and now this? How about Tyrod? That's a cool name.
LeGOATski Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Can't we come up with nicknames for our players that aren't corporate logos? First "Fred-Ex", and now this? How about Tyrod? That's a cool name. It's been his nickname since Virginia Tech, so...if he accepts it, then we should all accept it.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 1. Taylor - The possible phenom 2. Cassel - The safety net 3. Manuel - The project seriously?? what the hell has TT shown in his ZERO starts in real NFL games that makes you think he'll be a possible phenom? Talk about being a fanboy/fanguy/superfan. and no I don't have anything against Tyrod. speaking of T Mobile .... what ever happened to the hot chick doing the T Mobil commercials???
billsfan89 Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Still plenty more camp and a legit pre-season game to go. So I think it's natural for some of the coaches to want to see more of the QB's before a final decision is made. In the end it's Taylor's job to lose, but it's far from done.
reddogblitz Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 It's been his nickname since Virginia Tech, so...if he accepts it, then we should all accept it. Didn't realize that. Still don't like it. Since Verizon is a Bills sponsor I somehow doubt it will be embraced by the Bills. Go TYrod!!
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I would objectively make a persuasive argument that Tyrod Taylor should start. I know preseason stats don't mean much. But as much as nobody is excited about the idea of Matt Cassel, in his two drives in the first preseason game he looked fine and it's a stretch to use those two drives to pan him. And of course if those were EJ Manuel's only two drives and he too went 7-8 with a drop, the EJ guys would've been hyping him up. That's all I'm saying. there you go again assuming and stretching the truth. I know you don't like it when people twist your words and exaggerate your dislike for EJ. The only thing us fanboys would claim is that he only had 2 drives and looked average at best. So please, if you want the debates to end - keep it rational.
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