Update on Chris Hogan

[NoSaint]

 

Agreed. My big argument for Hogan here is I think he is the most well rounded of that group. To me we only have two well rounded WRs on our roster other than him - Sammy and Woods. Harvin has never demonstrated that to me... he is a gadget receiver whether he likes it or not. He has that reputation because that is what is on tape. Easley is a lock for me but as a gunner who can be your 6th WR in a pinch. If I had confidence in Harvin as a genuine possibility as an every down receiver maybe I'd feel better about cutting Hogan.

Harvin, if healthy, might be part of why we are diverging. I think he's more than a gadget so having those 3 players does help me justify spevialty players instead of safety nets

 

When we had ruvell Martin, namaan Roosevelt, Donald jones and such- I was a big hogan fan as I thought he was a better all around guy potentially but now I'm less enthusiastic about the skill set

Edited August 22, 2015 by NoSaint

[GunnerBill]

For the opener? Coachspeak or did he just basically say that Hogan is making the team?

 

I think probably coachspeak but Rex has been high on Hogan the whole way through. People who don't like him have tried to talk down its importance but I still believe that unless two of the other excel in his absence Chris Hogan will be on this football team.

[LB3]

 

I think probably coachspeak but Rex has been high on Hogan the whole way through. People who don't like him have tried to talk down its importance but I still believe that unless two of the other excel in his absence Chris Hogan will be on this football team.

I thought Rex was high on Hogan as well. I believe I remember reading how impressive Hogan was through OTA's. I know he has had some bad days recently though.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

I think probably coachspeak but Rex has been high on Hogan the whole way through. People who don't like him have tried to talk down its importance but I still believe that unless two of the other excel in his absence Chris Hogan will be on this football team.

 

Get ready to be disappointed.

[Andrew Son]

Get ready to be disappointed.

 

Rex just said Hogan should be ready for home opener. I assume he'll be on the roster unless he means he'll be ready to watch from home... Man, if we had only kept Da'Rick... We'd be all set

[Rob's House]

I could see Hogan being to this team what Ricky Proehl was to the Rams ca. 2000. He was a WR3/WR4 who didn't have a particular elite skill, but was a solid well rounded player who was a big part of that team's success.

[GunnerBill]

 

Get ready to be disappointed.

 

Oh I am sure it is the Hogan haters who are going to be disappointed, for a 3rd year in a row.

[Kelly the Dog]

Oh I am sure it is the Hogan haters who are going to be disappointed, for a 3rd year in a row.

 

I don't think anyone hates Hogan. They just don't see anything more than a pretty good overachiever who is a better story than actual receiver, and like another player with potential better.

[Andrew Son]

Get your facts out of here!! He is fast, athletic, has great hands and hasn't played football that long. Did you know that Hogan played lacrosse in college?

Did you know that Da'Rick led the SEC in receiving once?

[GunnerBill]

I don't think anyone hates Hogan. They just don't see anything more than a pretty good overachiever who is a better story than actual receiver, and like another player with potential better.

 

Except all these guys with "better potential" end up with worse production. I've seen this movie before.

[Andrew Son]

I don't think anyone hates Hogan. They just don't see anything more than a pretty good overachiever who is a better story than actual receiver, and like another player with potential better.

I don't think that's true. People dug in on a position years ago and are holding out hope to be proven somewhat right.

 

My problem with this discussion, which comes up over and over, is your point about potential. Hogan is a rare athlete with a great combination of size, speed and strength. The fact that he hasn't played football for that long makes me think that he will continue to get better. The only thing that I can think of is that people discount his athleticism because he's white. IDK.

Edited August 22, 2015 by SWATeam

[GunnerBill]

The only thing that I can think of is that people discount his athleticism because he's white. IDK.

 

There is definitely some of that going on subconsciously I think.

[Kelly the Dog]

I don't think that's true. People dug in on a position years ago and are holding out hope to be proven somewhat right.

My problem with this discussion, which comes up over and over, is your point about potential. Hogan is a rare athlete with a great combination of size, speed and strength. The fact that he hasn't played football for that long makes me think that he will continue to get better. The only thing that I can think of is that people discount his athleticism because he's white. IDK.

He's played football his whole life. He was a very good high school player who got college scholarships, he just choose lacrosse for four years in college and then played college football a year. Then five years in the pros.

 

And again, people that don't think he is very good don't hate him. They may be entrenched in their position as you say, they just don't think he is as good as the hype.

[NoSaint]

 

There is definitely some of that going on subconsciously I think.

There could be some- another one of those "we've all been guilty of type casting before" situations.... but I think part of why people don't expect his measurables to be as good as they are is he tends not to be a guy you see run by anyone, run over anyone, or juke around anyone. He plays a little less quick, agile and strong than he measures, it seems.

 

Put this way- I've seen claims of him clocked as low as 4.39 when googling him and as high as 4.6 and I think he plays closer to the possession receiver speed than white lightning

[Andrew Son]

He's played football his whole life. He was a very good high school player who got college scholarships, he just choose lacrosse for four years in college and then played college football a year. Then five years in the pros.

And again, people that don't think he is very good don't hate him. They may be entrenched in their position as you say, they just don't think he is as good as the hype.

So you think that that one year at Monmouth, after a four year hiatus, got him as ready for the pros as the normal route? Taking that much time away from the sport, at that age, is HUGE

 

I'm not sure how much hype there is

Edited August 22, 2015 by SWATeam

[Rob's House]

There could be some- another one of those "we've all been guilty of type casting before" situations.... but I think part of why people don't expect his measurables to be as good as they are is he tends not to be a guy you see run by anyone, run over anyone, or juke around anyone. He plays a little less quick, agile and strong than he measures, it seems.

 

Put this way- I've seen claims of him clocked as low as 4.39 when googling him and as high as 4.6 and I think he plays closer to the possession receiver speed than white lightning

Would have been a better nickname than 7/11, lmo.

[NoSaint]

He's played football his whole life. He was a very good high school player who got college scholarships, he just choose lacrosse for four years in college and then played college football a year. Then five years in the pros.

 

And again, people that don't think he is very good don't hate him. They may be entrenched in their position as you say, they just don't think he is as good as the hype.

It's funny- I've often asked when does Whaley lose the tag of young gm that needs a mentor, or how many years does Fred's scenic route to the league buy him..., people get used to saying things about guys.

 

and think similar of hogan at this point. Hes an nfl vet. Hes not some guy that grew up playing rugby or basketball and just walked into his first camp. If we keep up the "he's new" angle too long we will be debating his learning curve vs steps he's losing!

 

The other thing that gets me is the "he's brand new and still learning" and "he's a precise route runner with great hands" in the same argument.

Edited August 22, 2015 by NoSaint

[Dragonborn10]

Hogan and Easely will both be gone. Hogan has a better chance of making the team but probably only if they keep 6 WR and keep only 2 QB's or 1 kicker.

[NoSaint]

So you think that that one year at Monmouth, after a four year hiatus, got him as ready for the pros as the normal route? Taking that much time away from the sport, at that age, is HUGE

Yea, but the 4+ years of professional coaching should be closing that gap pretty quickly now, no?

Hogan and Easely will both be gone. Hogan has a better chance of making the team but probably only if they keep 6 WR and keep only 2 QB's or 1 kicker.

They just guaranteed Easley 2.2m less than 6 months ago.

[Kelly the Dog]

So you think that that one year at Monmouth, after a four year hiatus, got him as ready for the pros as the normal route? Taking that much time away from the sport, at that age, is HUGE

No. I think it hurt his development for sure. But people act like he didn't even know the rules and had never played football before, so this is like only his rookie season in the NFL. But he was a football player as a kid and into high school at a high level. He played the game a lot. He wasn't starting from scratch. If he started early like most kids at about 7 years old, the way it sounds, he has been playing football 15 years of his 26 (he'll be 27 in October). Sure not playing in college stunted his growth. I'm not belittling that at all. But the common narrative was that he never played football before and it wasn't true, he was very good.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Kelly the Dog