/dev/null Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 If the inevitable Democratic nominee falters, who will be the replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 She was a bit presumptuous putting herself out there as the nominee nolo contendere. She even resigned from the Secretary of State office. It doesn't look good. In my opinion, she didn't think she would be healthy enough, after the demands of SoS to run for Pres. So... I don't think she will be up for it, ultimately. I hope she doesn't cause a stink within the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Bernie Sanders is for real. My father in law is as hard core of a Republican as I've ever met and he donated to Bernie. Check out his funding, his voting history, his vision, and how he intends on accomplishing it. We don't need a Democrat or a Republican, we need somebody to change the system itself. He is the only candidate on either ballet that can do that. He refuses to say anything negative about his opponents, he refuses to take anything outside of private citizen funding for his campaign. Once it gets to the debates he's going to surge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Bernie Sanders is for real. My father in law is as hard core of a Republican as I've ever met and he donated to Bernie. Check out his funding, his voting history, his vision, and how he intends on accomplishing it. We don't need a Democrat or a Republican, we need somebody to change the system itself. He is the only candidate on either ballet that can do that. He refuses to say anything negative about his opponents, he refuses to take anything outside of private citizen funding for his campaign. Once it gets to the debates he's going to surge. A republican supporting a communist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Michelle Obama! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 It's 15 months out, aggregate polling has her leaps and bounds ahead of democrats and most republicans... The email scandal will be a blip, and people will lose interest in it. Sanders will be the nominee as much as Trump will be. I'm still saying follow the money, Hillary versus Jeb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Bernie Sanders is for real. My father in law is as hard core of a Republican as I've ever met and he donated to Bernie. Check out his funding, his voting history, his vision, and how he intends on accomplishing it. We don't need a Democrat or a Republican, we need somebody to change the system itself. He is the only candidate on either ballet that can do that. He refuses to say anything negative about his opponents, he refuses to take anything outside of private citizen funding for his campaign. Once it gets to the debates he's going to surge. How could a hard core Republican donate to a confessed socialist? Weird country. It's 15 months out, aggregate polling has her leaps and bounds ahead of democrats and most republicans... The email scandal will be a blip, and people will lose interest in it. Sanders will be the nominee as much as Trump will be. I'm still saying follow the money, Hillary versus Jeb. I read something yesterday that Trump could see himself supporting Jeb at some point. So it's setting up just as I worried. Trump is just out there to ensure Jeb is the guy. I'm not sure who is a worse choice. Hillary or Bush. Michelle Obama! Well she would be the first trans gender(only my suspicion so relax) prez so it would be historic. So she has that going for her/him whatever. I'm just not sure there is that many circus freaks out there to get her elected. Edited August 15, 2015 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Bernie Sanders is for real. My father in law is as hard core of a Republican as I've ever met and he donated to Bernie. Check out his funding, his voting history, his vision, and how he intends on accomplishing it. We don't need a Democrat or a Republican, we need somebody to change the system itself. He is the only candidate on either ballet that can do that. He refuses to say anything negative about his opponents, he refuses to take anything outside of private citizen funding for his campaign. Once it gets to the debates he's going to surge. Hillary's money and the Democrat establishment will run all over him. Tell your dad to support Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Unfortunately money means everything and that means we're looking at Clinton vs Bush.... BUT, I hope Sanders makes a big enough splash to get people to pressure their representatives into changing some campaign finance laws, and the lobbying system. I doubt it, but one can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 Well she would be the first trans gender(only my suspicion so relax) prez so it would be historic. So she has that going for her/him whatever. I'm just not sure there is that many circus freaks out there to get her elected. Michelle might have her own birth certificate problems. Not Kenya...Kashyyyk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 A republican supporting a communist? Communism and Socialism are not the same thing. How could a hard core Republican donate to a confessed socialist? Weird country. Not a weird country. When a party or parties does not represent any of the ideals they pretend to stand for what decisions are left to be made? Hillary's money and the Democrat establishment will run all over him. Tell your dad to support Trump. He's my father in law. My Dad passed away two weeks ago and was very similar to my Father in Law in his republican principles. Which is fine, I long for the days when real democrats and real republicans even had a voice to debate with. The whole system is destroyed in so many ways. The only reason I'm even discussing politics is one of the candidates is discussing issues that have concerned me for years and he's putting his money where is mouth is. As for Hillary and the establishment, wait until the debates. They will do everything possible to destroy him, I have no doubt. But he is going to do very well in the debates and force Hillary into some bad positions no politicians are even willing to discuss right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Communism and Socialism are not the same thing All Communism is socialism, all socialism is not Communism; however, all socialism disregards the natural rights of man in favor of the absolute power of the state, and does so at the barrel of a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 All Communism is socialism, all socialism is not Communism; however, all socialism disregards the natural rights of man in favor of the absolute power of the state, and does so at the barrel of a gun. All theory is not reality. All reality is not theory. The State, in Democratic Socialism, also would represent the mandate of the people. What natural rights of man would you lose by moving to Sweden, or Germany? What gun barrel would actually be pointed at you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 All theory is not reality. All reality is not theory. The State, in Democratic Socialism, also would represent the mandate of the people. What natural rights of man would you lose by moving to Sweden, or Germany? What gun barrel would actually be pointed at you?You are talking around my point, not speaking to it. Explain how socialism does not subjugate the natural rights of man. I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 You are talking around my point, not speaking to it. Explain how socialism does not subjugate the natural rights of man. I'll wait. I don't know what you mean by the Natural Rights of Man, if you think that Democratic Socialism subjugates them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) You are talking around my point, not speaking to it. Explain how socialism does not subjugate the natural rights of man. I'll wait. Lets take a socialistic policy like SS. Personally, I would rather not have SS. I feel like I can spend my money and save my money better than any other entity as it pertains to my goals. Having said that I don't exactly see that playing out in the general population. Many if not most Americans struggle to fight the urge to balance credit debt. Forget about retirement. I can't think of many situations in which people have said, up, my 401k, savings, and pension is just so high I don't know when I should retire. It's more like, well, I want to retire soon, how the hell am I going to live off anything but SS? People don't save in mass and regardless if I feel I can, or you feel you can, most can't. Without SS we would have a millions and millions of 65+ year old people either homeless or working minimum wage until death. That doesn't sit well with me. Even if I do want complete control of my money, not at that cost. Hell, I don't like a lot of Bernie's Policy, but the things I do like I view as absolutely essential to restoring the political system and that is something that no candidate running on either side can offer me. Edited August 17, 2015 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The only real difference between modern communism and western socialism is the use of a dictator to enforce (and abuse) it. It's what separates the liberal idealistic utopia vs the implemented harsh impact of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 You are talking around my point, not speaking to it. Explain how socialism does not subjugate the natural rights of man. I'll wait. So you're against any mandatory taxes for the sake of paying for government run services? Is that what I'm getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 So you're against any mandatory taxes for the sake of paying for government run services? Is that what I'm getting? Correct. I am in favor of a truly voluntary tax, in the form of a national sales tax. It's the only form of taxation which does not subjugate the individual to the state at the barrel of a gun. I don't know what you mean by the Natural Rights of Man, if you think that Democratic Socialism subjugates them. Self ownership. A man cannot be said to own himself, or the fruits of his labor, if he is subjugated to the state at the behest of those who would make unjust claims of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Michelle Obama! Yes because she has a great track record in running a large organization tasked with tackling the largest issues on the globe. Just a single step up on the stairway for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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