BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I would like to know the plays on those. Neither snap was bad, but EJ didn't anticipate either snap. There was definitely miscommunication between the C and the QB. It appeared that Kupper didn't know that EJ was checking out of the plays. I'd like to ask did you see the game? I might blame the first botched snap on EJ, the second was on the center. EJ was looking to his left when the ball was snapped. I'd love to see EJ start the 3rd preseason game so all three QBs have a chance to work with the ones. Unfortunately, I've heard as-of-yet unsubstantiated rumors that Rex doesn't give a pile of poop about my opinion, but I really want the QB competition to appear fair to all three guys. I posted similar in another thread. If we were being told the truth and the competetion is valid, EJ should get the start in game 3.
GunnerBill Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I'd like to ask did you see the game? I might blame the first botched snap on EJ, the second was on the center. EJ was looking to his left when the ball was snapped. I posted similar in another thread. If we were being told the truth and the competetion is valid, EJ should get the start in game 3. Not necessarily. If based on practices they see Tyrod as being ahead and he backed up his performance in the game with a good practice yesterday and then he performs convincingly with the starters on Thursday I see no reason why you wouldn't make the call that he is the starter. What I do think then is that EJ should at least be the second guy through in the 3rd game because he for me would still have a shot at being the primary backup.
CountryCletus Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I like what we have in TT... I was skeptical at first, but I'm coming around.... I think Cassel would be the perfect back up to TT- dink and dunk, safe plays with the football....
GunnerBill Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I like what we have in TT... I was skeptical at first, but I'm coming around.... Likewise.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I think EJ is still learning the position and the last coaching staff didn't do him any favors.This is the frustrating part to me. He played 40 something games in the ACC, was a top recruit out of high school and is in his 3rd NFL season. When does he know the position? He has been a QB for a long, long time.
Doc Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 That's what everyone says, but it's not a hard and fast rule. I've seen starting QBs go a series or two or 1 quarter. I wouldn't be surprised to see EJ start the 3rd game either. We gotta get through Thursday's game first. No, it's not a hard and fast rule, but you want your starters to get as much time with and against first stringers before the season starts. In the 4th game the starters play very little. The decision should be made before game 3 and if it isn't, that's a major mistake.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I think, with extended 1st string snaps in game 3, you could see 3 possessions each for EJ and Tyrod with the 1's.
Beerball Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Not necessarily. If based on practices they see Tyrod as being ahead and he backed up his performance in the game with a good practice yesterday and then he performs convincingly with the starters on Thursday I see no reason why you wouldn't make the call that he is the starter. What I do think then is that EJ should at least be the second guy through in the 3rd game because he for me would still have a shot at being the primary backup. There's a reason EJ is sitting at 3 and it has little or nothing to do with the first PS game. (I know that's not what you inferred, just reinforcing your point) Those decisions are made based on what the coaches have already seen on & off the field. EJ was decent in game one, but, he's still with the 3's. He is going to have to be special every day it seems to move on up. I hope that his play, & not preconceptions, are what led to his current status.
Solomon Grundy Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 This is the frustrating part to me. He played 40 something games in the ACC, was a top recruit out of high school and is in his 3rd NFL season. When does he know the position? He has been a QB for a long, long time. Like many QBs and others have stated coming out of college that the NFL game is much faster. It's not like he doesn't/didn't know the position, it's the speed at the NFL level. Why is/was it OK for Aaron Rodgers to sit and learn the game as a 1st rd pick for years, but not OK for EJ? Granted Rodgers had a future HOFer in front of him, but if Rodgers were ready back then the Packers would've moved on from Favre earlier.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Like many QBs and others have stated coming out of college that the NFL game is much faster. It's not like he doesn't/didn't know the position, it's the speed at the NFL level. Why is/was it OK for Aaron Rodgers to sit and learn the game as a 1st rd pick for years, but not OK for EJ? Granted Rodgers had a future HOFer in front of him, but if Rodgers were ready back then the Packers would've moved on from Favre earlier. The Packers didn't move on from Favre until he kept dangling retirement on a string and they grew tired of it. They decided to promote Rodgers in a time where the future HOFer was, in fact, retired.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Like many QBs and others have stated coming out of college that the NFL game is much faster. It's not like he doesn't/didn't know the position, it's the speed at the NFL level. Why is/was it OK for Aaron Rodgers to sit and learn the game as a 1st rd pick for years, but not OK for EJ? Granted Rodgers had a future HOFer in front of him, but if Rodgers were ready back then the Packers would've moved on from Favre earlier.They are apples and oranges. A HOFer was pushed out because Rodgers was too good to remain on the bench. EJ is behind Matt Cassel & Tyrod Taylor. Rodgers wasn't sitting to learn. He was sitting because of Favre. EJ doesn't see the field fast enough. That has been his knock at least back to college. I don't know why we think that it will cease being a problem when it has been an issue for at least 7 years? He just doesnt have those football instincts.
GG Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I'd like to ask did you see the game? I might blame the first botched snap on EJ, the second was on the center. EJ was looking to his left when the ball was snapped. I think it would be bad form to criticize the snaps if I hadn't seen them. To me a bad snap is one that goes over a QBs head or bounces on the turf. Granted, neither of the snaps were ideal, but they're the kind that the QB easily snares if he's ready to receive the snap. To me the bigger issue was that EJ wasn't prepared for either snap. That's all on the miscommunication between the QB and the C, and that's why I'd like to know the play call, as that would tell us a lot more why Kupper snapped both balls before EJ was ready.
shibuya Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I like what we have in TT... I was skeptical at first, but I'm coming around.... I think Cassel would be the perfect back up to TT- dink and dunk, safe plays with the football.... I'm in the exact same camp. Had little hope for TT pushing for the starting position when we acquired him, but now I think he is in the lead, and looking solid in doing so
Solomon Grundy Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 They are apples and oranges. A HOFer was pushed out because Rodgers was too good to remain on the bench. EJ is behind Matt Cassel & Tyrod Taylor. Rodgers wasn't sitting to learn. He was sitting because of Favre. EJ doesn't see the field fast enough. That has been his knock at least back to college. I don't know why we think that it will cease being a problem when it has been an issue for at least 7 years? He just doesnt have those football instincts. No Kirby, he was sitting to learn! Why was he sitting in green room so long? Go watch his early preseason games. Rodgers didn't look good at all.
GunnerBill Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 No Kirby, he was sitting to learn! Why was he sitting in green room so long? Go watch his early preseason games. Rodgers didn't look good at all. Another of my favourite hobby horses but I am not sure under the current CBA Aaron Rodgers becomes the guy he is. McCarthy worked with him in such an intensive way in season and off season that under the new rules is not allowed. The CBA is hurting young quarterbacks developing because instead of working with the coaches and the schemes that they are going to be running all year they have to make do with generic routes and footwork drills with these QB "gurus".
MDH Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I think it would be bad form to criticize the snaps if I hadn't seen them. To me a bad snap is one that goes over a QBs head or bounces on the turf. Granted, neither of the snaps were ideal, but they're the kind that the QB easily snares if he's ready to receive the snap. To me the bigger issue was that EJ wasn't prepared for either snap. That's all on the miscommunication between the QB and the C, and that's why I'd like to know the play call, as that would tell us a lot more why Kupper snapped both balls before EJ was ready. If the C snaps the ball before the QB is ready it's pretty much always on the C. It's the QB who calls for the ball and tells the C when to snap it unless it's a silent count. There would be no need for a silent count at a pre-season home game.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I think it would be bad form to criticize the snaps if I hadn't seen them. To me a bad snap is one that goes over a QBs head or bounces on the turf. Granted, neither of the snaps were ideal, but they're the kind that the QB easily snares if he's ready to receive the snap. To me the bigger issue was that EJ wasn't prepared for either snap. That's all on the miscommunication between the QB and the C, and that's why I'd like to know the play call, as that would tell us a lot more why Kupper snapped both balls before EJ was ready. The 1st snap in question was too hot with the 2nd coming too early. Both miscues were the fault of the center Kupper.
shibuya Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I thought all 3 QB's had positives, but until EJ gets time with 1's he's riding in the back seat to the other 2 at this point But Roman as our OC has made a huge difference in how our Offense functions as a whole and that alone is the net positive we all needed to see
Kirby Jackson Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) No Kirby, he was sitting to learn! Why was he sitting in green room so long? Go watch his early preseason games. Rodgers didn't look good at all. Agree to disagree on that. He was considered a potential 1st overall pick by many. EJ was considered a 3rd rounder that was a project. Rodgers came from Jeff Tedford who was a QB guru (at least most people believed that). He was drafted to a place that had a 1st ballot HOF QB still playing good football. Favre's best year may have been in Minnesota. The Packers made the controversial decision that they couldn't keep Rodgers on the bench any longer and jettisoned Favre. That is a much, much, different situation than a guy being 3rd on the depth chart behind Tyrod Taylor and Matt Cassel. I have seen improvement in EJ this offseason. That doesn't mean that he will be the starter. He is definitely the least likely of the 3 to be starting vs. Indy. There were other QBs that were brought along slowly that are a better comparison than Rodgers. Brock Osweiler might fit the Rodgers example (but we don't know if he can play). Andrew Luck fits the Rodgers example. Christian Ponder & Blaine Gabbert are better comparisons for EJ. They are guys that climbed the draft board late and played pretty early. They each had some moments (Ponder was quite good in year 2) and then were replaced. Edited August 17, 2015 by Kirby Jackson
San-O Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I feel much better about our options at QB, all three did well and did what they do: Cassel = Manage the game, no chances, no long throws; Taylor = happy feet, ran all over, Mr. Excitement, a few good throws; EJ = Looked like he was playing with the 3rd string, all but the one throw was on target, & the long TD. The bad news, I do not see anything settled, and the battle continues Also, maybe mentioned already, but Cassel was hitting guys in the chest, between the numbers with those passes mostly it seemed to me. Not a lot of jumping, diving, low balls unless that was the intent. Not seen that type of accuracy from anybody throwing for the Bills in a long time.
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