You herd it hear last Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 But the end result was the same as if the catch was made, you still advance the ball 50 yards and get a first down. That is true. But a "catch" was never made. In game importance is undeniable, and I get your point. Also, it introduces another variable of defensive back quality/ time of the game where it may be more conducive to be flagged. Not to mention if you follow your logic and extrapolate, MANY other rules/ stats probably should be re-evaluated. Perhaps that is the case.
dave mcbride Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 I've long thought pass interference yards should count as passing yards. If Stafford launches a 50 yard bomb to Megatron and the DB just wraps him up, how is that not yards for Stafford and Calvin? There was a game in 2002 that the Bills won and in which Bledsoe had terrible stats, but as it so happens the Chargers were charged 3 times for defensive pass interference on plays all over 20 yards. It was windy too, but the Bills' passing yardage that day was better than what the passing yardage stats indicated: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200212150buf.htm .
Saxum Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/08/13/ik-enemkpal-buffalo-bills-signing-nfl Along the same vein, stop counting kneel downs as rushing attempts. A kneel down is the opposite of an attempt. So what do fake kneel downs count as or ones where defense player is able to make jump on QB and snatch balls away? You need to consistent with your definitions. There are a lot of 'trick' plays which do not fall cleaning in stats.
reddogblitz Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 I fail to see the problem here. PS Stats are for losers.
dave mcbride Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 So what do fake kneel downs count as or ones where defense player is able to make jump on QB and snatch balls away? You need to consistent with your definitions. There are a lot of 'trick' plays which do not fall cleaning in stats. That sort of play happens about once every ten years, so they don't matter in terms of the data.
hondo in seattle Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Here's another point in Andy's favor. What if the RBs combine for 20 carries and 40 yards but the Vick-like QB scrambles 5 times for 60 yards? The stat line will say 25 rushing attempts for 100 yards. Not a terrible Sunday for the OL and backs - according to the stats. But the running game really averaged 2.0 years per carry. I'm a traditionalist and don't want to give up the traditional method of keeping stats. But it would be nice for the stat geeks to produce more sophisticated analyses of the run and pass games. A full evaluation of a passing game, for example, would include penalty yards both for and against, sacks, and scrambles. A full evaluation of the running game would include penalties, but not scrambles or kneel-downs. Edited August 14, 2015 by hondo in seattle
Coach Tuesday Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Sacks are counted against passing yards, not rushing yards? I was not aware of that.
Green Lightning Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Interesting thread. But at the end of the day, I don't care.
BADOLBILZ Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/08/13/ik-enemkpal-buffalo-bills-signing-nfl 6. I think scrambling yards need to be counted as passing yards. This has occurred to me more and more as I’ve read back through my 2014 film notes to write the team-by-team previews for this site. Most scrambles come on passing downs, out of a passing formation, against a pass defense and on a called pass play. The play just happens to end with the quarterback running. Counting scrambles as rushing yards is not unlike counting run-after-catch yards as rushing yards. And if a quarterback runs and gets tackled behind the line of scrimmage, it goes down as a sack. Sack yards get subtracted from passing yards. But if the quarterback runs and crosses the line of scrimmage, the yards get tacked onto the rushing total. It’s a backwards system, leaving stats that paint an inaccurate picture of a game. This directly contradicts the sole purpose of stats. Along the same vein, stop counting kneel downs as rushing attempts. A kneel down is the opposite of an attempt. He's right but passing yards are just a traditional stat. Rather than try to change an old stat just create a "quarterback impact" yardage-only stat that combines the elements QB passing with rushing and deducts sack yardage.
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