Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/14/nfl-teams-pick-the-brain-of-high-school-coach-who-never-punts/ Interesting read CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Defenses in college and even more so in high school are not NFL defenses. Fans hate punting because they never punt in Madden and it works and whatever... I think going for it on 4th down should be used carefully at opportune moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Defenses in college and even more so in high school are not NFL defenses. Fans hate punting because they never punt in Madden and it works and whatever... I think going for it on 4th down should be used carefully at opportune moments. Yup. That crap works in high school and a bit less in college. But the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Great read, interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I hope Doug Marrone was sitting down before he saw that headline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Yup. That crap works in high school and a bit less in college. But the NFL? Yeah, their team is a real heavyweight against their competition. Even in the NFL, the range from top team to bottom is much smaller... http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0067/0138/teamcume.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Never punting is dumb. Gimmicky stuff in high school works because of the talent level and the disparity between teams. In the NFL even the worst team is fielding players who are still among the best players in college for multiple generations and now years older and their games are more developed getting coached by some of the best coaches. They are going to be prepared for or adapt quickly to gimmicks. I don't have a problem with teams past the 50 going for it on 4th down. But there is always a time to punt and you do your best to gauge the risk and rewards of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 It's about time NFL folks talked to this guy. But the caveat in the middle of the article is spot on... Of course, just because it’s been an effective strategy for one high school doesn’t mean it would be an effective strategy in the NFL. Punters in the NFL are far better than punters in high school. And the talent gap between two high school teams can be huge, which means that Kelley’s offense might convert a lot of fourth downs just because his players are a lot better than the players on the opposing defense, not because his strategy of going for it on fourth down is inherently correct. During my junior year in high school, our team didn't punt much. Then again, we had two RBs averaging over 10 yards per carry. Pro teams don't have offenses like that. Still, I think a statistical analysis of the NFL would show that most teams are too conservative on 4th down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'm more interested in his scripted plays after the catch with WR's doing laterals. It's a totally untapped aspect to the game, and I've always thought to move the ball in that manner every once in a while would completely throw off the defense. For example, if you had Chris Hogan run a slant towards the middle, and have him turn around after the catch and essentially hand it off to Percy Harvin who is running laterally, all the while the rest of the unit executed a punt return formation, how in the world would the defense be ready to stop it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 It's about time NFL folks talked to this guy. But the caveat in the middle of the article is spot on... Of course, just because it’s been an effective strategy for one high school doesn’t mean it would be an effective strategy in the NFL. Punters in the NFL are far better than punters in high school. And the talent gap between two high school teams can be huge, which means that Kelley’s offense might convert a lot of fourth downs just because his players are a lot better than the players on the opposing defense, not because his strategy of going for it on fourth down is inherently correct. During my junior year in high school, our team didn't punt much. Then again, we had two RBs averaging over 10 yards per carry. Pro teams don't have offenses like that. Still, I think a statistical analysis of the NFL would show that most teams are too conservative on 4th down. Would, has, and will continue to do so for at least a few more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'm more interested in why teams never run designed pitches after catching the ball...those would likely lead to some easy touchdowns. Then again poor execution could lead to easy turnovers as well. Question would be which one would occur more and would 10 easy TD's in a season be worth 5 TOs off the other pitches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'm more interested in why teams never run designed pitches after catching the ball...those would likely lead to some easy touchdowns. Then again poor execution could lead to easy turnovers as well. Question would be which one would occur more and would 10 easy TD's in a season be worth 5 TOs off the other pitches? It's likely because of the unpredictability of it. I'm not sure the benefit would worth it. Is an extra TD when you're up by 10 worth the TO in a tie game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 h0c2000 says:Aug 14, 2015 10:07 AM The Jets should take note since they’re a high school team. 163 17 haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Of course... They probably had no one that can properly punt. HS isn't really about FG/Punting... Hell even some teams go for two every time b.c they have no kicker. Edited August 15, 2015 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felonious Monk Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Flash back to 2000. 9th ranked offense. 3rd ranked defense. Ronnie Jones as special teams coach of perhaps the worst ST unit in league history. This would have worked better than kicking the ball straight in the air, which was our "strategy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/sports/football/05romer.html?_r=0 NFL teams won't one punt that often one day. Somebody needs to have the balls to go all in. That is what is stopping somebody from trying it. If a team didn't do well, based on that or not, just about everybody would be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) But the caveat in the middle of the article is spot on... The big caveat is they had a honorable mention Parade All-American QB (who's now paying D-1 ball at Tulsa) and the other teams had 'normal' HS-level players. Pretty easy to not punt when you have that kind of player advantage... Edited August 15, 2015 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 in high school we had a punter who on more than occasion boomed some 32 yard punts. 30 yards high, two yards forward. man I wish had film of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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