Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Blowing up their chemical facilities is too clumsy and obvious. If there's something nefarious about it, it's probably an internal insurgent group or the near neighbors who want to check Chinese expansion. More than likely that would be the case, again if it's not an accident. Though, this assumes that the chemical plants were the actual target and not somewhere in the vicinity, or that the PLA/MSS wasn't using the chemical facilities as a cover for something else.... but that starts to sound like a Le Carre novel pretty quickly (which is why I probably gravitate towards that when speculating). The US game against them is much broader and longer term. China's devaluation of the Yuan is the latest desperation step to prop up the economy. Good luck The US doesn't have to do anything but grab some popcorn and sit on the couch and watch. Here's where I need some help from the economists around here -- or at least the folks who know more than me about international finances (which is probably everyone). Is that really true that our economy isn't tied to theirs? Don't they own a lot of our national debt? What happens if they call it in? Wouldn't that nuke our economy pretty quickly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) They can't just "call it in". China is not a loan shark. The debt is held in bonds, which mature on specific timelines, and the US is only obligated to pay as the mature. Further, even if they did this, which is still incredibly unlikely, the US would still have two options: 1). Tell China to !@#$ off, because we won't simply lay down and accept defeat in economic warfare; or 2). Inflate our way our of the debt, which would decimate the Chinese economy. Edited September 1, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 China just sold a whole bunch of Treasuries to prop up their stock market bubble, and the result was more people buying Treasuries for the safe Haven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 They can't just "call it in". China is not a loan shark. The debt is held in bonds, which mature on specific timelines, and the US is only obligated to pay as the mature. Further, even if they did this, which is still incredibly unlikely, the US would still have two options: 1). Tell China to !@#$ off, because we won't simply lay down and accept defeat in economic warfare; or 2). Inflate our way our of the debt, which would decimate the Chinese economy. :beers: Thanks for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 They can't just "call it in". China is not a loan shark. The debt is held in bonds, which mature on specific timelines, and the US is only obligated to pay as the mature. Further, even if they did this, which is still incredibly unlikely, the US would still have two options: 1). Tell China to !@#$ off, because we won't simply lay down and accept defeat in economic warfare; or 2). Inflate our way our of the debt, which would decimate the Chinese economy. This is when you start to realize the US and world enconomy is a big ol pile of nothing. We're all just playing along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 This is when you start to realize the US and world enconomy is a big ol pile of nothing. We're all just playing along. Pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 More than likely that would be the case, again if it's not an accident. Though, this assumes that the chemical plants were the actual target and not somewhere in the vicinity, or that the PLA/MSS wasn't using the chemical facilities as a cover for something else.... but that starts to sound like a Le Carre novel pretty quickly (which is why I probably gravitate towards that when speculating). Here's where I need some help from the economists around here -- or at least the folks who know more than me about international finances (which is probably everyone). Is that really true that our economy isn't tied to theirs? Don't they own a lot of our national debt? What happens if they call it in? Wouldn't that nuke our economy pretty quickly? As people have said they can't call in the debt but theoretically they could sell enough of our Treasury bonds that it would interfere with us selling our Treasury bonds maybe forcing us to raise the interest we pay on our new treasury bonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-monitoring-chinese-navy-ships-194700855.html Edit: To clarify this is in reference to the discussion earlier about the US and China having stuff going on behind the scenes. Edited September 3, 2015 by GreggyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 As people have said they can't call in the debt but theoretically they could sell enough of our Treasury bonds that it would interfere with us selling our Treasury bonds maybe forcing us to raise the interest we pay on our new treasury bonds. ... No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-monitoring-chinese-navy-ships-194700855.html Edit: To clarify this is in reference to the discussion earlier about the US and China having stuff going on behind the scenes. Awww, that's so cute. Pretending they can go anywhere they want, whenever they want. I have a tough time taking too seriously an organization that calls itself the People's Liberation Army Navy. Can't wait until they get their carrier operational...then they'll deploy the People's Liberation Army Navy Air Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 And now a fourth blast, again happening in the middle of the night: http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/blast-reported-at-chemical-plant-in-eastern-china That's four in three weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 And now a fourth blast, again happening in the middle of the night: http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/blast-reported-at-chemical-plant-in-eastern-china That's four in three weeks. "Chemical plant blasts are relatively common in China." It's industrial China... It's a cesspool. Maybe they will start reforms w/safety standards. LoL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Mr Obama made his remarks after meeting members of the US military at Fort Meade, Maryland, with Mr Xi due in Washington later this month. "We have been very clear to the Chinese that there are certain practices that they are engaging in, that we know are emanating from China and are not acceptable." He suggested the two sides would have to agree on common rules in cyberspace, arguing "there comes a point at which we consider this a core national security threat and we will treat it as such". But he said that China should fear confrontation online: "I guarantee you we will win if we have to." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34229439 Just a bit more for the "****'s going down behind the scenes with China and the US" pile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Why can't he just draw a Red Line in cyberspace a-la Hillary's magnificent server-wiping motion. After all, he has a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Why can't he just draw a Red Line in cyberspace a-la Hillary's magnificent server-wiping motion. After all, he has a pen. And a phone that he can use to dial up AOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/world/asia/china-detains-us-citizen-sandy-phan-gillis.html?ref=world&_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I predict this craven attempt to steal the spotlight from B. O. and to tarnish his legacy will fall flat like so many other inconvenient truths he's conveniently ignored... Like the prisoners in Iran, a Marine in Mexican jail, and the murders of Americans by illegal foreigners. He simply won't acknowledge that the issue exists. After all, he has a legacy to preserve. The legacy of the perfect narcissistic !@#$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34411726 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34411726 I would hate to be a compromised undercover CIA agent left to fend for yourself by this government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 I would hate to be a compromised undercover CIA agent left to fend for yourself by this government. It's surprising to me this move took as long as it has, considering the first major breach happened some months ago now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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