Gugny Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 Ahhhh yes. Thank you. I have seen Mulligan on more than one 53 man roster projection. You might be right, although do you think his roster spot might come at the expense of Gragg or O'Leary? If Mulligan gets cut, would he automatically get another chance?
GunnerBill Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) Mulligan will make it I believe. I also have Rambo over Meeks at safety.... Gray and Goodwin are on the bubble for me. I think Carpenter's hamstring issues tip the balance in favour of the extra kicker. EDIT: also think Stefan Charles is a potential surprise bubble guy - he will make the week 1 roster I am sure cos Marcel doesn't count towards it but whether he makes it beyond that is questionable. Rex is a big fan of Bryant who showed up big again in the scrimmage and I think Carrington brings enough versatility that he makes it ahead of Charles. Edited August 12, 2015 by GunnerBill
Manther Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) There has been a lot of discussion about who will make the 53 man roster, and I have even questioned others about my concerns related to keeping 3 QB's. After much thought, I decided to "put my money where my mouth is," and use my 5,000th post to post my final 53. (2) QB: EJ Manuel, Tyrod Taylor * Yeah, I know....Matt Cassel is starting the first pre-season game. I don't care. IMO...he is not better than EJ or TT, and the thought of him being our starting QB gives me nightmares. Simms to the PS. I know I am going to take a lot of abuse for this. (4) RB: LeSean McCoy, Fred Jackson, Karlos Williams, Boobie Dixon * Bryce Brown fumbles too much. No shocker here to most. (1) FB: Jerome Felton (6) WR: Sammy Watkins, Percy Harvin, Robert Woods, Marcus Easley, Chris Hogan, Marquise Goodwin * I went back and forth between Goodwin and Thigpen about a hundred times here, and I think they keep Goodwin ultimately. (4) TE: Charles Clay, Marquise Gray, Nick O'Leary, Chris Gragg * Gragg, IMO, has done enough to earn that 4th spot, and I don't think they risk putting O'Leary on the PS. (3) OT: Cordy Glenn, Seantrel Henderson, Cyrus Kouandjio (1) OC: Eric Wood (4) OG: Ritchie Incognito, John Miller, Kraig Urbik, Cyril Richardson (4) DE: Mario Williams, Jerry Hughes, Jarius Wynn, Michael Buchanan (5) DT: Marcell Dareus, Kyle Williams, Stefan Charles, Corbin Bryant, Alex Carrington (5) LB: Nigel Bradham, Preston Brown, Ty Powell, Manny Lawson, Randell Johnson * I wanted so badly to keep Steward here, but just couldn't fit him in. Hopefully we can stash him on the PS. (6) CB: Stephon Gilmore, Leodis McKelvin, Ron Darby, Nickell Robey, Ron Brooks, Mario Butler * Cockrell has looked like crap, and Mario Butler seems to be making plays all over the field. (4) S: Aaron Williams, Duke Williams, Corey Graham, Jonathan Meeks (1) K: Dan Carpenter (1) K/O: Jordan Gay * I went back and forth on keeping Gay, but given Carpenter's boo-boo, I think it's crucial to keep him. (1) P: Colton Schmidt (1) LS: Garrison Sanborn Feedback welcome....I can handle it I think your 53 man roster is very close to our probable roster, if not the roster or one change away. I personally would cut Hogan and keep Dezmin Lewis. We are going to be very run heavy and still tossing the ball down field when they start playing aggressive against the run and will toss some deep balls. I just don't see too many balls to go around with 5 WRs (Easley is STs), so to have Hogan as a back ups, back up I would prefer to go with a project with very high upside! We are going to have tough decisions with a quality roster like ours. I don't think Seward or Dezmin Lewis will be able to be stashed on our PS. I also don't think Meeks will make the team, but, another one of the safeties will being Rambo. I can see us going with 6 CBs. But, not sure if it will be Cockrell, Brooks or Butler cut. I think it will be Brooks cut. Congrats on your 5000th post as well! I doubt EJ gets cut outright, as all of his contract is guaranteed. IIRC, however, they could save 4+ million in cap space by releasing Cassel. Anyone know the exact figures? I think Cassel's cap savings is about $4.5 million. And, we take no cap hit as Minnesota already absorbed it. I do believe IF Cassel is the 3rd QB we should cut him and use the money to offset some of Dareus' signing bonus by moving it up a year. Edited August 13, 2015 by Manther
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 If we cut Chris Hogan I will be a very, very angry man. It would be a stand out dumb move.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2015 Author Posted August 13, 2015 If we cut Chris Hogan I will be a very, very angry man. It would be a stand out dumb move. I don't think you have anything to worry about. I think Goodwin is more on the bubble than Hogan.
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 Nice job on the 53, a few things I would change, mostly Mulligan > Gray and Thigpen > Goodwin. I agree with your take on the QB position. Thanks for sharing
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I've seen a few people who think mulligan makes the team. Why is that? I'm not trying to argue I'm just wondering. He doesn't seem to be a Roman type TE who can block and catch. He's just a lee smith type, correct? I thought he was just a camp body. clay looks great obviously and gray is lining up at the #2 spot. Oleary has a much higher ceiling than Mulligan and very cheap and Gragg has surprised in camp. I figured they would keep those 4. Edited August 13, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2015 Author Posted August 13, 2015 I've seen a few people who think mulligan makes the team. Why is that? I'm not trying to argue I'm just wondering. He doesn't seem to be a Roman type TE who can block and catch. I thought he was just a camp body. From what I have gathered the man is an absolute menace as a blocker. If Buffalo is to keep 4 TE's (like many speculate), Roman might want one of them to be a skull cracker.
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) From what I have gathered the man is an absolute menace as a blocker. If Buffalo is to keep 4 TE's (like many speculate), Roman might want one of them to be a skull cracker. i think that's why he is in camp, to push the other guys from a blocking perspective and Rex loves his style. He's a mentor/vet type guy who can compete. But I don't think he makes the team because ultimately I don't see him being a better TE in this system than the others. Maybe I'm way off but I'll be surprised. Edited August 13, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) i think that's why he is in camp, to push the other guys from a blocking perspective and Rex loves his style. He's a mentor/vet type guy who can compete. But I don't think he makes the team because ultimately I don't see him being a better TE in this system than the others. Maybe I'm way off but I'll be surprised.Roman wants to utilize four TEs but you don't want four similar players. And he divides them up into three types. The inline TE, the split TE, and the H Back TE. He outlined it pretty good. Gray really doesn't play inline. Gragg can but he is not all that great at it although he is willing and getting better. Both can play split and HBack. Clay is the only one that really can play inline of the receiving TE and he can do everything. At times they want the TE to be a blocker. O'Leary can but he is a rookie and not really ready as a blocker. Gray and Gragg are pretty much the same guy, both very athletic and pretty fast and can catch. But they do not fill the inline TE to Romans satisfaction and as long as Clay is in there, you would likely never use both Gray and Gragg, but you would use Gray and Mulligan or Gragg and Mulligan. Edited August 13, 2015 by Kelly the Dog
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 From what I have gathered the man is an absolute menace as a blocker. If Buffalo is to keep 4 TE's (like many speculate), Roman might want one of them to be a skull cracker. Exactly. With the amount of 12 and 22 personnel I've heard and seen from camp, having a guy who can move people like Mulligan is crucial. Ik Roman uses a lot of 6 OL but have a versatile group of tight ends helps add to the dynamics of your offensive identity
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 Roman wants to utilize four TEs but you don't want four similar players. And he divides them up into three types. The inline TE, the split TE, and the H Back TE. He outlined it pretty good. Gray really doesn't play inline. Gragg can but he is not all that great at it although he is willing and getting better. Both can play split and HBack. Clay is the only one that really can play inline of the receiving TE and he can do everything. At times they want the TE to be a blocker. O'Leary can but he is a rookie and not really ready as a blocker. Gray and Gragg are pretty much the same guy, both very athletic and pretty fast and can catch. But they do not fill the inline TE to Romans satisfaction and as long as Clay is in there, you would likely never use both Gray and Gragg, but you would use Gray and Mulligan or Gragg and Mulligan. who do you think they keep?
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 who do you think they keep? It's a toss up right now before the preseason games between Gray and Gragg. I think one of them goes and we keep Clay, OLeary, Mulligan and Gray or Gragg. I think I prefer Gray but Gragg has been coming on strong lately and he may have more overall talent at the position although I think Gray is a better athlete.
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 It's a toss up right now before the preseason games between Gray and Gragg. I think one of them goes and we keep Clay, OLeary, Mulligan and Gray or Gragg. I think I prefer Gray but Gragg has been coming on strong lately and he may have more overall talent at the position although I think Gray is a better athlete.before camp I thought Gragg was a longshot, but reportedly he has looked very good in camp. Long way to go and an injury could solve the "problem" but TE is a huge battle.
billsfan89 Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 I think they are gonna keep Cassell and cut either Tyrod or EJ. Other than that it seems like a pretty legit roster.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I don't see O'Leary as a lock personally, if he doesn't show he can contribute in some way he may wait for an injury on the practice squad. For me Clay, Gray, Mulligan most likely make it with O'Leary and Gragg fighting for the last spot. Preseason hasn't started so plenty of time for O'Leary to flash, I'd still give him the benefit of the doubt as long as he shows something. Gragg has had a nice camp but it's a numbers game, Mulligan makes a ton of sense for a power running team. Edited August 13, 2015 by Aaron
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 If Gragg shows anything like improvement on his blocking he makes the team. His potential as a receiver is above all the rest save for Clay for me.
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 If Gragg shows anything like improvement on his blocking he makes the team. His potential as a receiver is above all the rest save for Clay for me. There was a report earlier in camp (can't remember who so take it with a grain of salt) that he was leaps and bounds better at blocking this year. I think he makes the roster I don't see O'Leary as a lock personally, if he doesn't show he can contribute in some way he may wait for an injury on the practice squad. For me Clay, Gray, Mulligan most likely make it with O'Leary and Gragg fighting for the last spot. Preseason hasn't started so plenty of time for O'Leary to flash, I'd still give him the benefit of the doubt as long as he shows something. Gragg has had a nice camp but it's a numbers game, Mulligan makes a ton of sense for a power running team. what makes you think that Gray is a lock?
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 I might be a bit biaed because I liked the Gragg pick when we made it but if I am rooting for someone of that group it is definitely him.
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