IDBillzFan Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I think it's interesting that folks on both sides keep going farther away from the middle. Since BHO took office this country seems to get more fractured and divisive by the day. Its sad. Barry isn't the reason the country is so divided right now. It's the fault of the American people, who elected the first black president right before they all decided to become racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Trump is a hideous hermaphroditical character with neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman. And Sanders is a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father. We are always blinded by the arrogance that our time is the most interesting. It's why every doomsday prophet gets followers. Someone's been reading................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Or that's the game. Keep us fighting with ourselves over the differences in the two parties (who really aren't that different from each other at all in reality or practice) so that we don't wake up and realize how badly we're getting fuked every day. If we're too busy picking sides and calling the other side out, we don't have time (or the energy) to unify and take on the real issues of the day. I really wish more people realized this. I think most people want to see their 'neighbors' healthy and happy, we just have small differences on what we think the path is to get there. The rest of the stuff is on the extremes imo (ie, most people don't really care if gays get married, but a few extremists will make an entire party look like they are adamantly against it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I really wish more people realized this. I think most people want to see their 'neighbors' healthy and happy, we just have small differences on what we think the path is to get there. The rest of the stuff is on the extremes imo (ie, most people don't really care if gays get married, but a few extremists will make an entire party look like they are adamantly against it). Exactly. Or to use another example, most democrats aren't commies. What a minute, never mind, I'll get back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I really wish more people realized this. I think most people want to see their 'neighbors' healthy and happy, we just have small differences on what we think the path is to get there. The rest of the stuff is on the extremes imo (ie, most people don't really care if gays get married, but a few extremists will make an entire party look like they are adamantly against it). To be honest, blowing up either party won't matter so long as there are voters like yourself who genuinely believe, as you said yesterday, that food and housing should be provided to every person who chooses not to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I really wish more people realized this. I think most people want to see their 'neighbors' healthy and happy, we just have small differences on what we think the path is to get there. The rest of the stuff is on the extremes imo (ie, most people don't really care if gays get married, but a few extremists will make an entire party look like they are adamantly against it). 100%. It's a rigged game. Divide and conquer. We're bombarded with media (across all platforms, internet, tv, radio, social media) that's clamoring for people to pick a team and fight for it. Anger and outrage are stirred up every day by the powers that be and it's done so intentionally to keep us all distracted from seeing the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 To be honest, blowing up either party won't matter so long as there are voters like yourself who genuinely believe, as you said yesterday, that food and housing should be provided to every person who chooses not to work. My views don't represent the Democratic party. My views are left of the Democratic party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 My views don't represent the Democratic party. My views are left of the Democratic party. No, I'd say your views are very centrist in the Democrat party which has recently supported the stimulus, Obamacare, extended unemployment, expanded SS disability, expansion of food stamp program, free cell phones, free daycare for children, expanded college grants, housing allowances, tax credit for low income earners and I could name more. That's a very broad safety net with no strings attached, only your vote is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 How about we stop voting for "leaders" who make unkeepable promises? Establishment or Antiestablishment, it doesn't matter. A candidate is not going to make Apple produce phones in the US or Mexico pay for a wall, and he/she is not going to entirely abolish several departments in the US. Stop believing impossible promises. Find a good leader with a proven record that can make tough decisions that's not going to sell you empty promises. So far neither side has one of those candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 How about we stop voting for "leaders" who make unkeepable promises? I'd say that's impossible.. checks and balances and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 My views don't represent the Democratic party. My views are left of the Democratic party. Oh, please. The Democratic party is right now the SoProg (Socialist Progressive) party of birddog and gatorman, doing everything it can to elect a socialist as president of the United States because none of you will be satisfied until the government is in charge of absolutely everything...including free food and shelter for everyone who chooses not to work. You have more than enough company and ground operations to get Bernie into office. I hope I'm alive to see it happen because the looks on your collective faces when it all falls apart will be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Oh, please. The Democratic party is right now the SoProg (Socialist Progressive) party of birddog and gatorman, doing everything it can to elect a socialist as president of the United States because none of you will be satisfied until the government is in charge of absolutely everything...including free food and shelter for everyone who chooses not to work. You have more than enough company and ground operations to get Bernie into office. I hope I'm alive to see it happen because the looks on your collective faces when it all falls apart will be worth it. Hey, if we vote those views in, and they don't work out, I'll be changing my tune, that's for sure. I have zero pride when it comes to opinions, my main interests are results. If the Democratic Party and it's candidates result in America's universal demise, I will no longer be supporting them in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 These guys (trump/Cruz/carson) all exist in one way or another because the conservative leaning voters CANNOT STAND the Republican establishment anymore. The republicans currently in power campaign one way and promise us what we want, but once we elect them and they get into office govern as weaklings barely even challenging the progressive agenda and just going along to get along. The main appeal of trump/carson/Cruz is voters feel they share the same values and ideals, that they are not establishment candidates and they are true to their beliefs they are campaigning upon. Please enlighten me again of how Trump appeals to conservative voters. Oh, please. The Democratic party is right now the SoProg (Socialist Progressive) party of birddog and gatorman, doing everything it can to elect a socialist as president of the United States because none of you will be satisfied until the government is in charge of absolutely everything...including free food and shelter for everyone who chooses not to work. Don't forget free water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd say that's impossible.. checks and balances and all... That's my point. There is a system and different opinions in that system that all these promises have to work with. It was foolish to vote for GOP candidates based on their campaign promises only to realize they couldn't keep those promises. And now people are repeating the same process with Antiestablishment candidates. Stop buying impossible campaign promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Please enlighten me again of how Trump appeals to conservative voters. Don't forget free water He is against illegal immigration/invasion He is highly critical of Obama's executive orders and will hopefully overturn many of them He is against the Iran deal He is supportive of veterans and the military He is pro 2nd ammendment He loves America and wants it to be great He is willing to stand up to Putin, china and others Etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd say that's impossible.. checks and balances and all... Or they could stop making unkeepable promises... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 He is against illegal immigration/invasion He is highly critical of Obama's executive orders and will hopefully overturn many of them He is against the Iran deal He is supportive of veterans and the military He is pro 2nd ammendment He loves America and wants it to be great He is willing to stand up to Putin, china and others Etc... Wordy version of Hope and Change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 He is against illegal immigration/invasion He is highly critical of Obama's executive orders and will hopefully overturn many of them He is against the Iran deal He is supportive of veterans and the military He is pro 2nd ammendment He loves America and wants it to be great He is willing to stand up to Putin, china and others Etc... You mean he's aligned with Know Nothings, not conservatives. It would be easy to ridicule his platform if he had one, or at least was consistent on his tweetstorms that double as a platform. You guys should just admit that he's popular because people like the theatrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You mean he's aligned with Know Nothings, not conservatives. It would be easy to ridicule his platform if he had one, or at least was consistent on his tweetstorms that double as a platform. You guys should just admit that he's popular because people like the theatrics. Cruz is my candidate. As I've said multiple times in numerous threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You guys should just admit that he's popular because people like the theatrics. National level politics, especially during campaign and primary season, are really nothing more than performance art. How well does candidate X resonate with voters, how good is candidate Y at condensing ideas into 6-second sound bites, how well do they come off as seeming 'presidential', etc, etc, etc. Most people don't realize how much theatrics play a role in all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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