bbb Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 What you don't get is that that was a joke. To blame either Chicago or Buffalo for somebody acting like a dbag at best and a criminal at worst is a total joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 What you don't get is that that was a joke. To blame either Chicago or Buffalo for somebody acting like a dbag at best and a criminal at worst is a total joke. If only because it's all Miami's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 That's what I'm getting at! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Sorry the joke was lost on me. I find nothing to joke about when a person claims they were violently attacked and raped then seeks immediate medical attention. Maybe some think there is a joke in there somewhere, I don't. Anyway, if what said happened... Seeking that medical attention was the right move. How is Kaner going to wiggle out of this one if the results come back damning. Can enough money buy her silence? If what she is saying is true, there is nothing to be ashamed of... Let it all fly in court. Take his money AND make sure he gets to see Mrags everyday! Yeah... Accusation of rape is a joking matter. Bet Kane and The Family are having a hoot right about now. Can Cambria get him off? He might have to recuse himself given some of the details that are surrounding alleagtions w/his wife and the night @ SkyBar. Edited August 11, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Sorry the joke was lost on me. I find nothing to joke about when a person claims they were violently attacked and raped then seeks immediate medical attention. Maybe some think there is a joke in there somewhere, I don't. Anyway, if what said happened... Seeking that medical attention was the right move. How is Kaner going to wiggle out of this one if the results come back damning. Can enough money buy her silence? If what she is saying is true, there is nothing to be ashamed of... Let it all fly in court. Take his money AND make sure he gets to see Mrags everyday! Yeah... Accusation of rape is a joking matter. Bet Kane and The Family are having a hoot right about now. Can Cambria get him off? He might have to recuse himself given some of the details that are surrounding alleagtions w/his wife and the night @ SkyBar. No one is joking about the rape. Only your paper thin argument that somehow South Buffalo culture is to blame, when Kane hasn't lived there since he hit puberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) No one is joking about the rape. Only your paper thin argument that somehow South Buffalo culture is to blame, when Kane hasn't lived there since he hit puberty.Okay... Whatever, yeah, it's out of him just like when him and his cousin rolled an 60 year old cabbie. He may not have lived there long, but its in the family. Agree to disagree. Can this latest Kane situation be as "Kennedy" as it gets? The same process that get them off of rape and murder raps will work for Kane? We will see. Edited August 11, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 No one is joking about the rape. Only your paper thin argument that somehow South Buffalo culture is to blame, when Kane hasn't lived there since he hit puberty. He's got to know that, right? I've seen this lame thing before online - "X" is nothing to joke about. When they know that the joke isn't about that. Okay... Whatever, yeah, it's out of him just like when him and his cousin rolled an 60 year old cabbie. He may not have lived there long, but its in the family. Agree to disagree. Can this latest Kane situation be as "Kennedy" as it gets? The same process that get them off of rape and murder raps will work for Kane? We will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 He's got to know that, right? I've seen this lame thing before online - "X" is nothing to joke about. When they know that the joke isn't about that. ...I've got a made up mind I've got a made up mind If you're thinking I might break down in time You're gonna find I've got a made up mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It isn't about having a made up mind. Only a few things actually happened here. 1. She was violently raped (oxymoron, which rape isn't violent?) 2. She is a gold-digger that made it all up. There is nothing in between. Because if it comes out that they had sex and she says she was raped... Guess what, she was raped. It's that simple. Again... It will be interesting to see (if we ever really do) the results of the medical examination. What else is there to argue about? And it does to me seem like people are making light of a very, VERY serious sitiation either way with those two outcomes listed above. Heck, we don't even know if she is of age and if this complaint is statutory in nature. That my friends is down right scary (if she is NOT of age)! So many ramifications and others that would be implicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) It isn't about having a made up mind. Only a few things actually happened here. 1. She was violently raped (oxymoron, which rape isn't violent?) 2. She is a gold-digger that made it all up. There is nothing in between. Because if it comes out that they had sex and she says she was raped... Guess what, she was raped. It's that simple. Again... It will be interesting to see (if we ever really do) the results of the medical examination. What else is there to argue about? And it does to me seem like people are making light of a very, VERY serious sitiation either way with those two outcomes listed above. Heck, we don't even know if she is of age and if this complaint is statutory in nature. That my friends is down right scary (if she is NOT of age)! So many ramifications and others that would be implicated. It's actually not. Edited August 12, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It's actually not. I knew that what get some to argue it. Who's in control here? Of course she is. No is no, doesn't matter what stage of the game it's at. She can even claim it AFTER the fact, exspecially if she is liquored up. So, it is for the guy and the court to decide if she gave willingly? Not her? You gotta be joking again. I am sorry that you can't accept that. Real men do find a way to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I have no idea what you're going on about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I have no idea what you're going on about Neither dies EII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I have no idea what you're going on about on a coherent note - either of you see the "regret is rape" incident on a college campus? girl hooked up with a guy, spent the night, told friends it was great, they became friends on social media, went out a few more times, then she saw him with someone else and was upset and a counselor on campus told her that the first night was rape because she now regretted it and the school expelled him? Crazy times we live in. hes suing the hell out of the school according the the brief articles ive seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 on a coherent note - either of you see the "regret is rape" incident on a college campus? girl hooked up with a guy, spent the night, told friends it was great, they became friends on social media, went out a few more times, then she saw him with someone else and was upset and a counselor on campus told her that the first night was rape because she now regretted it and the school expelled him? Crazy times we live in. hes suing the hell out of the school according the the brief articles ive seen. That is the most ridiculous, frivolous, embarrassing case I've ever seen. I cannot believe that a college or university would be so careless as to commit total and utter deformation of character to that degree. That kid should indeed sue, and the school should be taken to the cleaners. If it were possible, I'd like to see the counselor that gave her such reprehensible advice punished as well. Sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I knew that what get some to argue it. Who's in control here? Of course she is. No is no, doesn't matter what stage of the game it's at. She can even claim it AFTER the fact, exspecially if she is liquored up. So, it is for the guy and the court to decide if she gave willingly? Not her? You gotta be joking again. I am sorry that you can't accept that. Real men do find a way to accept it. She can claim anything she wants. It doesn't make it true. on a coherent note - either of you see the "regret is rape" incident on a college campus? girl hooked up with a guy, spent the night, told friends it was great, they became friends on social media, went out a few more times, then she saw him with someone else and was upset and a counselor on campus told her that the first night was rape because she now regretted it and the school expelled him? Crazy times we live in. hes suing the hell out of the school according the the brief articles ive seen. That is the most ridiculous, frivolous, embarrassing case I've ever seen. I cannot believe that a college or university would be so careless as to commit total and utter deformation of character to that degree. That kid should indeed sue, and the school should be taken to the cleaners. If it were possible, I'd like to see the counselor that gave her such reprehensible advice punished as well. Sickening. Even if the kid sues and gets a sizable settlement, his life is over. Just terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 She can claim anything she wants. It doesn't make it true. Ha! You wish... http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/26/wendy-murphy-vs-suny-affirmative-consent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Ha! You wish... http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/26/wendy-murphy-vs-suny-affirmative-consent I don't understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 on a coherent note - either of you see the "regret is rape" incident on a college campus? girl hooked up with a guy, spent the night, told friends it was great, they became friends on social media, went out a few more times, then she saw him with someone else and was upset and a counselor on campus told her that the first night was rape because she now regretted it and the school expelled him? Crazy times we live in. hes suing the hell out of the school according the the brief articles ive seen. That's insane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I don't understand? "...Apparently, under Murphy's formulation, the subjective impressions of those making assault claims are sacrosanct—if alleged victims say they saw an encounter as unwelcome, it was assault. But the subjective impressions of the accused (i.e., the perception that consent had been obtained and sexual activity was welcome) are so insignificant that they shouldn't even be considered. Murphy seems to literally be arguing that the accused should get no right to a defend themselves because doing so might actually work." No more "he said, she said." Only "she said...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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