Flip Johnson Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) FACT: Matt Cassel is the best QB Rex Ryan has ever had. That is not saying much, but his statistical performance is far better than that of Mark Sanchez or Geno Smith. FACT: Cassel's best years ('08 & '10) correspond exactly with the years that his team ran the ball the most. The '08 Pats team lacked a true feature back, but still ran the ball 513 times or 32.1 times per game. The '10 Chiefs team ran the ball 556 times or 34.8 times per game. OPINION: This is probably the deepest group of playmakers Cassel has ever played with. History says that when Matt Cassel has an OC who understands his strengths and weaknesses and stays committed to the running game, he will be successful. He has that in Greg Roman, and he has an elite RB in McCoy followed by a very deep group of backup RBs. Everyone needs to calm the freak down with the training camp trade scenarios. Sure, it would be exciting to see Tyrod Taylor pop, or to see EJ finally take a step forward. There is still a month for that to happen. But the truth is we are set up to have success with Matt Cassel. Edited August 3, 2015 by Flip Johnson
LeGOATski Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Eh... Those were his best years, but those teams were barely playoff contenders with him at the helm. We need a playmaker back there. Hopefully Tyrod or EJ can be that guy.
John from Riverside Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Eh... Those were his best years, but those teams were barely playoff contenders with him at the helm. We need a playmaker back there. Hopefully Tyrod or EJ can be that guy. I would just like to point out that our team has not made the playoffs in FIFTEEN YEARS Can we start there........please?
NoSaint Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I would just like to point out that our team has not made the playoffs in FIFTEEN YEARS Can we start there........please? yup - but i think its fair to say the guy was last a contender 5 and 7 years ago. i still dont know if one will step up, but hopefully someone will provide atleast middle of the pack contributions.
Solomon Grundy Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 FACT: Matt Cassel is the best QB Rex Ryan has ever had. That is not saying much, but his statistical performance is far better than that of Mark Sanchez or Geno Smith. FACT: Cassel's best years ('08 & '10) correspond exactly with the years that his team ran the ball the most. The '08 Pats team lacked a true feature back, but still ran the ball 513 times or 32.1 times per game. The '10 Chiefs team ran the ball 556 times or 34.8 times per game. OPINION: This is probably the deepest group of playmakers Cassel has ever played with. History says that when Matt Cassel has an OC who understands his strengths and weaknesses and stays committed to the running game, he will be successful. He has that in Greg Roman, and he has an elite RB in McCoy followed by a very deep group of backup RBs. Everyone needs to calm the freak down with the training camp trade scenarios. Sure, it would be exciting to see Tyrod Taylor pop, or to see EJ finally take a step forward. There is still a month for that to happen. But the truth is we are set up to have success with Matt Cassel. Remember Flip, Alex Smith took 1st team reps in training camp at SF. We all know how that turned out. I'm willing to let the process play out. Fans and "some media" are looking for instant gratification. They are all learning a new system. QBs and WRs alike
IDBillzFan Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Mark Sanchez helped the Jets get to two AFC Championship games. Yes, they lost, but it's been how long since the Bills even qualified for the playoffs? Make no mistake...I'm no Sanchez fan, but to suggest Cassell is the best Ryan has ever had is putting your thought process on ludicrous speed.
Big Gun Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Remember Flip, Alex Smith took 1st team reps in training camp at SF. We all know how that turned out. I'm willing to let the process play out. Fans and "some media" are looking for instant gratification. They are all learning a new system. QBs and WRs alike Maybe so but Kaep is 1000x better QB than EJ. FWIW I'm not a Kaep fan as I think he is a middling QB and nothing more.
TPS Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Remember Flip, Alex Smith took 1st team reps in training camp at SF. We all know how that turned out. I'm willing to let the process play out. Fans and "some media" are looking for instant gratification. They are all learning a new system. QBs and WRs alike These guys are professionals, the timing should've been down in mini camp (hit sarcasm button please)...
Flip Johnson Posted August 3, 2015 Author Posted August 3, 2015 Mark Sanchez helped the Jets get to two AFC Championship games. Yes, they lost, but it's been how long since the Bills even qualified for the playoffs? Make no mistake...I'm no Sanchez fan, but to suggest Cassell is the best Ryan has ever had is putting your thought process on ludicrous speed. Sanchez was ludicrously bad in '09 and '10 and they went to the playoffs despite his poor play. He did play a couple solid games in the playoffs. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm
bonechiller Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Eh... Those were his best years, but those teams were barely playoff contenders with him at the helm. We need a playmaker back there. Hopefully Tyrod or EJ can be that guy. thought it was "Meh" ....sry I would just like to point out that our team has not made the playoffs in FIFTEEN YEARS Can we start there........please? NO!, not good enough This team is deep at almost every position, can't let QB hold them back from going deep into playoffs. Now, it is not as bad as it appears, in my opinion, but if QB holds them back, the front office will have to answer to that! FACT: Matt Cassel is the best QB Rex Ryan has ever had. That is not saying much, but his statistical performance is far better than that of Mark Sanchez or Geno Smith. FACT: Cassel's best years ('08 & '10) correspond exactly with the years that his team ran the ball the most. The '08 Pats team lacked a true feature back, but still ran the ball 513 times or 32.1 times per game. The '10 Chiefs team ran the ball 556 times or 34.8 times per game. OPINION: This is probably the deepest group of playmakers Cassel has ever played with. History says that when Matt Cassel has an OC who understands his strengths and weaknesses and stays committed to the running game, he will be successful. He has that in Greg Roman, and he has an elite RB in McCoy followed by a very deep group of backup RBs. Everyone needs to calm the freak down with the training camp trade scenarios. Sure, it would be exciting to see Tyrod Taylor pop, or to see EJ finally take a step forward. There is still a month for that to happen. But the truth is we are set up to have success with Matt Cassel. Cassel was brought in as a safety net to make sure we have at least "adequate" QB play, so in other words "meh" Now that might be ok, or enough, but..... I think everyone here wants one of the young guys to just have that light turn on, and make it something fantastic, .... Let's see how it plays out.
billstein22 Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 The Jets OL in '09 and '10 was much better than what we have. Still, if we can get average OL play we should see a marked improvement over last year's offensive production, even with lackluster play from Cassel.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Mark Sanchez helped the Jets get to two AFC Championship games. Yes, they lost, but it's been how long since the Bills even qualified for the playoffs? Make no mistake...I'm no Sanchez fan, but to suggest Cassell is the best Ryan has ever had is putting your thought process on ludicrous speed. Sanchez was absolutely horrible most of the time on those two Jet teams. It truly was in spite of him not because of him. He did have a couple decent playoff games. But most of the time he was terrible. Worse than Cassell terrible.
Malazan Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Sanchez was absolutely horrible most of the time on those two Jet teams. It truly was in spite of him not because of him. He did have a couple decent playoff games. But most of the time he was terrible. Worse than Cassell terrible. Remember when they had to make flash cards for him...and give him a wrist band with green/yellow/red on it so he'd know if he should try to throw deep or dump off on a play. As for Cassell, he's the last option. Unless he shows himself to be clearly a better option than Tyrod or EJ. From the accounts of camp that I have read, that is not the case.
8-8 Forever? Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) Cassel is less of a risk than the other two... my guess is its Cassell's job to lose... how could a coach look at it any other way? Who knows? This QB thing is a mess that hopefully someone steps out of sooner rather than later... Edited August 3, 2015 by 8and8Forever
Rivermont Mike Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I'm worried about the QB situation, but I also think that the media is whipping this into a controversy three days into camp. That said, I agree with the OP. Cassel to Watkins, Woods, Clay or McCoy could become a thing once they get their timing down. I've been rooting for EJ from the start, but it's hard to ignore legit in-game experience. And plenty of teams have proven that you can win with a short or intermediate passing game. Let Roman do his job and figure out how to make the most out of what he has.
Maddog69 Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I like that all 3 guys have been given an opportunity and a challenge. I've thought all along that Cassel was the baseline. He has the most experience and most data points to give a reasonable idea of what can be expected. I think he is the starter unless either EJ or Taylor take over the job during training camps and the 4 games. We have not seen any of them with our players and our offense against another team in an actual (albeit meaningless) game. I expect the starter to be obvious by game 3. I could not care less which one it is. I think the offense can be successful with whichever one wins the competition. Are any of them pro-bowl caliber, I don't believe so. But there isn't one of those guys available right now so we have to make due.
Solomon Grundy Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Maybe so but Kaep is 1000x better QB than EJ. FWIW I'm not a Kaep fan as I think he is a middling QB and nothing more. Says who, the Buffalo media?
IDBillzFan Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) Sanchez was absolutely horrible most of the time on those two Jet teams. It truly was in spite of him not because of him. He did have a couple decent playoff games. But most of the time he was terrible. Worse than Cassell terrible. I know. I just...y'know...I've been hurt before. And I'm not going to get dug into a world where statistics somehow indicate that a backup quarterback who couldn't get the Patriots** to the playoffs with 11 wins is better than the backup in Philly who got to back-to-back AFC Championship games playing like crap. Edited August 3, 2015 by LABillzFan
Zac Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 does the Buffalo media even know what good quarterbacking in TC looks like at this point?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I know. I just...y'know...I've been hurt before. Someone needs a hug.
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