K-9 Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Some guys are just in the right place, right time. I see Brandon as the ultimate bungler, largely responsible for the Bills' non-playoff history. But he lucked into lining up with two owners who see him as a bright businessman and that's all that counts. Luck>talent, I guess.. Ill informed.
eball Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Some guys are just in the right place, right time. I see Brandon as the ultimate bungler, largely responsible for the Bills' non-playoff history. But he lucked into lining up with two owners who see him as a bright businessman and that's all that counts. Luck>talent, I guess.. Get better glasses. Russ Brandon never wanted to be in charge of personnel. He has turned the Bills into an incredibly well run organization and is being rewarded for that.
dayman Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 No posters on this board know what is going on with the Bills finances, and on top of that they shouldn't care. So long as Brandon isn't filling out the rosters who cares that his bosses have been happy with him? Good for Brandon. His job was to make his boss happy and his boss said he was good at it.
K-9 Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Great at marketing. Really bad at player decisions so I don't know how to feel about this. Brandon never made a unilateral player decision in his life. Always deferred personnel decisions to those who knew best. GO BILLS!!!
eball Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Great at marketing. Really bad at player decisions so I don't know how to feel about this. Hasn't made any in years and NEVER WANTED TO.
hondo in seattle Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Some guys are just in the right place, right time. I see Brandon as the ultimate bungler, largely responsible for the Bills' non-playoff history. But he lucked into lining up with two owners who see him as a bright businessman and that's all that counts. Luck>talent, I guess.. Wow. You don't have much faith in Pegula's business acumen! Yep, Terry grew a multibillion dollar business from nothing because he's poor at evaluating the business acumen of the people in his organizations. Edited July 27, 2015 by hondo in seattle
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Does Russ Brandon even think Russ Brandon made good football decisons? I'm sure if you asked him honestly, and off the record, he'd say no.
Kirby Jackson Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Does Russ Brandon even think Russ Brandon made good football decisons? I'm sure if you asked him honestly, and off the record, he'd say no. That is an interesting way of looking at it. The football decision that he made was empowering Modrak and Guy to make football decisions. That definitely did not work out well.
Saxum Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Wow! Good for Russ, and lol at the folks that thought he was a dead-man walking when the Pegulas took over. Yeah the failed at playing fantasy owner.
K-9 Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 That is an interesting way of looking at it. The football decision that he made was empowering Modrak and Guy to make football decisions. That definitely did not work out well. And Marv and Jauron and Buddy and Gailey and Whaley. GO BILLS!!!
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 I have not read the 6 pages of commentary .... Seeing how both sports overlap in late fall and winter would this be a distraction to one team or the other.
QCity Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 All I Need is Hope, A couple of examples I can think of with Brandon are: The Toronto series (as painful as it was) improved ticket sales from Southern Ontario We've reached the point where we're now lauding RB for the Toronto series? I definitely feel like I've landed in Jonestown.
Kirby Jackson Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 I have not read the 6 pages of commentary .... Seeing how both sports overlap in late fall and winter would this be a distraction to one team or the other. They do it in New Orleans & Seattle/Portland to name a few
Saxum Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Pegula also publicly applauded Russ's roll in the last head coaching search. He's well thought of (except by TBD)... That proves he is good!
GG Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 I couldn't disagree more. I'm in sales and if I need to come down 5% for a strategic reason I have to run it by my boss. He's not a salesman and his talent isn't diagnosing what all goes into what's needed to get an order - that's what they pay me to do. But I do have to explain myself to him so that he can approve of my analysis. I think it's perfectly legitimate for everyone under Russ to do the work and on big happenings he's involved. My boss and I work as a team - he trusts me to understand situations and only give up profit when it's strategically needed. It's important he knows so he can one answer any questions if our owner looks at the sale - and it gives me an opportunity to prove that I'm capable of understanding situations to build trust with my boss. I don't just need him to count the order totals and work on the layouts of our brochures. Not the correct analogy. I'm assuming that you sell your company's product, over which you don't have much say in development and manufacturing. So your decision is to structure the best deal that will make both you and the customer happy with the outcome. You run the sales proposal by the boss to make sure that it fits the company's RoI. That's different from Brandon making the determination on the roster decisions to drum up ticket sales. It would be like your boss, without sales experience telling you who to sell for and for how much. Of course he's going to get involved in high level discussions about the Bills & Sabres operations. I hope he'll be less involved in the roster decisions, like dialing other teams when they were looking to complete the Watkins trade.
Kirby Jackson Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Not the correct analogy. I'm assuming that you sell your company's product, over which you don't have much say in development and manufacturing. So your decision is to structure the best deal that will make both you and the customer happy with the outcome. You run the sales proposal by the boss to make sure that it fits the company's RoI. That's different from Brandon making the determination on the roster decisions to drum up ticket sales. It would be like your boss, without sales experience telling you who to sell for and for how much. Of course he's going to get involved in high level discussions about the Bills & Sabres operations. I hope he'll be less involved in the roster decisions, like dialing other teams when they were looking to complete the Watkins trade. In my time I have never seen a president do this (and I worked in an organization where the GM and coach reported to the president). Sales decisions and personnel decisions are independent of one another. The president's job (and other sales leaders) is to sell the product that they are given. People for some reason have a hard time separating the two but the business people respond and react to the football decisions that are made. The dog wags the tail not the other way around despite what some here seem to believe.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 He hasnt made roster decisions in at least 4 years. That's what he wants you to think.
GG Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 In my time I have never seen a president do this (and I worked in an organization where the GM and coach reported to the president). Sales decisions and personnel decisions are independent of one another. The president's job (and other sales leaders) is to sell the product that they are given. People for some reason have a hard time separating the two but the business people respond and react to the football decisions that are made. The dog wags the tail not the other way around despite what some here seem to believe. Whose decision was the TO signing?
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Whose decision was the TO signing? We've already established that he never made good football decisions. But for the job that he was hired to do, run the Buffalo BIlls, and now Sabres, from a buisness perspective, he's been largely successful. I don't even see why there's an argument here.
K-9 Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Whose decision was the TO signing? Ultimately, it was Jauron's. But this is a great example of Brandon seeking consensus on a personnel decision. He ran it up the flagpole in Detroit and Buffalo and made sure everyone saluted it. GO BILLS!!!
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