birdog1960 Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) A great ad? “Two hundred thousand dollars an hour for them. But not even fifteen bucks an hour for all Americans. Enough is enough.” Not even fifteen bucks an hour for all Americans? That is the most laughable thing I've heard in a very long time. they are true statements and they resonate with many voters. the ad speaks to corruption, injustice and the inherent unfairness of our current system. I doubt Bernie's campaign is targeting your demographic, whatever that is. Edited April 15, 2016 by birdog1960
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 they are true statements and they resonate with many voters. the ad speaks to corruption, injustice and the inherent unfairness of our current system. I doubt Bernie's campaign is targeting your demographic, whatever that is. He's targeting morons who are completely ignorant of economics and markets, and those of low morals who believe it's OK to steal from others.
Chef Jim Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 they are true statements and they resonate with many voters. the ad speaks to corruption, injustice and the inherent unfairness of our current system. I doubt Bernie's campaign is targeting your demographic, whatever that is. Yes they resonate with the foolhardy who follow the old man who has no idea what he's planning to do. Bernie: I will break up the banks!! How do you plan to do that Bernie? Bernie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BkdARYNAE He's targeting the gullible, uninformed, low information, young demographic. And yeah, that's not mine.
birdog1960 Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 Yes they resonate with the foolhardy who follow the old man who has no idea what he's planning to do. Bernie: I will break up the banks!! How do you plan to do that Bernie? Bernie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BkdARYNAE He's targeting the gullible, uninformed, low information, young demographic. And yeah, that's not mine. is it foolish to think that a pay discrepancy ratio of 10,000/1 shouldn't exist? are the swiss foolhardy for voting on a maximal ratio and it being narrowly defeated? may well pass next time. I've not met many impractical, dreamer swiss. unjust is unjust. unfair is unfair. like pornography, you know it when you see it.
Chef Jim Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 is it foolish to think that a pay discrepancy ratio of 10,000/1 shouldn't exist? are the swiss foolhardy for voting on a maximal ratio and it being narrowly defeated? may well pass next time. I've not met many impractical, dreamer swiss. unjust is unjust. unfair is unfair. like pornography, you know it when you see it. Foolhardy to make laws on how much money people can make? Are you really asking that??
birdog1960 Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 Foolhardy to make laws on how much money people can make? Are you really asking that?? yes, just like those crazy, wacky swiss did. and a sizable proportion said, no it makes sense. it's logical. it's immoral to have such a discrepancy. and they are correct.
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 yes, just like those crazy, wacky swiss did. and a sizable proportion said, no it makes sense. it's logical. it's immoral to have such a discrepancy. and they are correct. What's immoral is capping an individuals value, restricting the freedom of exchange and association, and legislating theft.
unbillievable Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) yes, just like those crazy, wacky swiss did. and a sizable proportion said, no it makes sense. it's logical. it's immoral to have such a discrepancy. and they are correct. Have you ever talked to a Swiss person? Liberal: They are so environmentally conscious; living in small houses and biking to work. Swiss: I live like that because I can't afford a car or a big house. Liberal: Everything is free in Europe! Healthcare, Education, Maternity leave... Swiss: These taxes suck! They even take money from my savings account... Liberal: They are so open-minded! They don't recognize genders. Swiss: Did our kids really just ask for Incest and Necrophilia to be legalized? Our country is f#$@%ed. Seriously, why do Liberals continuously cite European countries as an example of "successful" socialism when citizens of those countries absolutely hate how screwed up their countries have become? Every single one has major financial issues (except maybe Germany, but their problems run deeper). Typical "grass is greener" mentality. Edited April 15, 2016 by unbillievable
Tiberius Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 Have you ever talked to a Swiss person? Liberal: They are very environmentally conscious; living in small houses and biking to work. Swiss: I live like that because I can't afford a car or a big house. Liberal: Everything is free Europe! Healthcare, Education, Maternity leave... Swiss: These taxes suck! They even take money from savings accounts... Liberal: They are so open-minded! They don't recognize genders. Swiss: Did our kids really just ask for Incest and Necrophilia to be legalized? Our country is f#$@%ed. Horse crap! http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/01/nhs-even-more-cherished-monarchy-and-army nuary often heralds a couple of weeks of absent mindedly getting the year wrong, but it has been easier than usual to remember that it is not 2012 anymore. 2013 feels like an altogether more ordinary year, after the exuberance of the Olympics, as attention returns to the long slog through the economic crunch. Yet it turns out that the national events of 2012, gently satirised as the year of the "Jubilympics", do not represent the main sources of national pride in Britain. The NHS beat both the monarchy and the Olympics to take gold in the patriotism stakes, as Ipsos-Mori's polling for British Future's new State of the Nation 2013 report, published today, shows. The army ranked second, when pollsters asked people which institutions made people proudest to be British, with Team GB taking bronze, nudging the royals off the podium altogether. The NHS was most popular with Britons from all backgrounds, being top for both white and non-white Britons, and across social classes, though the oldest segment of the population put the monarchy first, and the under-24s the army. Seventy two per cent of people declared the NHS to be "a symbol of what is great about Britain and we must do everything we can to maintain it" while one in five (21 per cent) saw it as "a great project for its time, but we probably can not maintain its current form".
birdog1960 Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Have you ever talked to a Swiss person? Liberal: They are so environmentally conscious; living in small houses and biking to work. Swiss: I live like that because I can't afford a car or a big house. Liberal: Everything is free in Europe! Healthcare, Education, Maternity leave... Swiss: These taxes suck! They even take money from my savings account... Liberal: They are so open-minded! They don't recognize genders. Swiss: Did our kids really just ask for Incest and Necrophilia to be legalized? Our country is f#$@%ed. Seriously, why do Liberals continuously cite European countries as an example of "successful" socialism when citizens of those countries absolutely hate how screwed up their countries have become? Every single one has major financial issues (except maybe Germany, but their problems run deeper). Typical "grass is greener" mentality. my point is that swiss are pragmatic generally. not sure why you didn't understand that. yes, I have family in zurich. been there 3 times in the last 5 years. I've met many swiss. not my favorite nationality for sure. anal as hell. concrete thinkers. but pragmatism, that they have in spades. idealism, not dso much. yet many of them are against outrageous discrepancies in pay. form a pragmatic point of view it makes sense. why encourage civil unrest that might well be justified? Edited April 15, 2016 by birdog1960
Chef Jim Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 yes, just like those crazy, wacky swiss did. and a sizable proportion said, no it makes sense. it's logical. it's immoral to have such a discrepancy. and they are correct. Other than the ****ty steak and an even shittier knife what have the Swiss contributed to society? Ok they do have some decent cheese. So what would you suggest the cap on income be? What is your plan to cap the stock options that are granted to the highly compensated? Do you have a plan Mr Sanders!
birdog1960 Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 Other than the ****ty steak and an even shittier knife what have the Swiss contributed to society? Ok they do have some decent cheese. So what would you suggest the cap on income be? What is your plan to cap the stock options that are granted to the highly compensated? Do you have a plan Mr Sanders! I like peter drucker's rec: limit pay ratio to about 30:1. investment income is a different issue as arestock options. start with wages. baby steps.
Chef Jim Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 I like peter drucker's rec: limit pay ratio to about 30:1. investment income is a different issue as arestock options. start with wages. baby steps. 30:1 = who:who?
tomato can Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 Bernie releases his taxes. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/15/sen-bernie-sanders-releases-tax-returns-2014/83074944/
IDBillzFan Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 Bernie releases his taxes. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/15/sen-bernie-sanders-releases-tax-returns-2014/83074944/ I had no idea Sanders was wealthy. You wouldn't know it from the way he talks and dresses.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 I had no idea Sanders was wealthy. You wouldn't know it from the way he talks and dresses. (I know this isn't the point you're making) His combined income is less than just one of Hillary's speeches to Goldman.
IDBillzFan Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 (I know this isn't the point you're making) His combined income is less than just one of Hillary's speeches to Goldman. Yet I'm sure when Hillary releases her personal taxes, she'll have a similar income since she uses her foundation to launder her money.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Yet I'm sure when Hillary releases her personal taxes, she'll have a similar income since she uses her foundation to launder her money. Truth. I heard something today while on a run but I can't find the actual text link (I will) talking about how HRC gave $15 million to charity -- but in reality 14.8 of that went into the Clinton Foundation (the non charity based foundation, I guess there are two Clinton foundations). EDIT: Nope, I got it twisted. I found the article the news was talking about, the 14.8 went to the Clinton Family Foundation which is the charity foundation: Clinton released her tax returns, filed jointly with her husband, former President Bill Clinton, in July. They show the couple earned just over $28 million in 2014 and $27 million in 2013, more than double the $13 million they earned in 2010, when she was still serving as secretary of state. The 2014 total included $10.5 million in speaking fees for Hillary Clinton, $9.8 million in speaking fees for the former president, and $6.4 million he earned from "consulting." In a statement, Hillary Clinton noted the family had given $15 million to charity since 2007. The tax returns show $14.8 million of that went to the Clinton Family Foundation. Clinton said the couple has paid $43.9 million in federal taxes since 2007, and that last year they paid an effective rate of 35.7%. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/15/sen-bernie-sanders-releases-tax-returns-2014/83074944/ Edited April 16, 2016 by Deranged Rhino
unbillievable Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 How much more did Sanders voluntarily pay in increased taxes to help pay his "fair share?" I assume he wants to contribute at least 75% of salary like his Scandinavian utopia model.
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