keepthefaith Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Lesson for Sanders on how Socialism works! That's a nice piece of work right there.
B-Man Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Bernie Sanders’ Female Supporters Are Finally Getting A Taste Of Their Own ‘War On Women’ Medicine. “Whether they realize it or not, female Sanders supporters are pushing back on the very type of deliberately divisive and harmful rhetoric that has been used for decades by their fellow Democrats – male and female, young and old – against their political opponents in attempts to shame them and shut down the debate.”
birdog1960 Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) he kicked her butt. he's pandering to no one. this debate convinced me that he is acting as a gadfly just as socrates described. he's illuminating the hypocrisy of pretty much every other candidate while speaking the truth capably. he's a very intelligent man. i don't think anyone can honestly dispute that. bravo bernie! Edited February 12, 2016 by birdog1960
....lybob Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 I missed the domestic policy side of the the debate but I thought Hillary looked more knowledgeable on foreign policy, I'm a Sanders supporter but I thought Hillary was a foreign policy machine, not surprising given her experience as Secretary of State- she a little too hawkish for my tastes but I could see her getting votes from those who chief concern is competency.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 I missed the domestic policy side of the the debate but I thought Hillary looked more knowledgeable on foreign policy, I'm a Sanders supporter but I thought Hillary was a foreign policy machine, not surprising given her experience as Secretary of State- she a little too hawkish for my tastes but I could see her getting votes from those who chief concern is competency. With Hillary as President we'll continue our state of perma-war and probably add in one or two new theaters of action because she's bought and paid for by those who profit most from war. So are Rubio and Cruz. Bernie is a huge liability on the foreign policy front, his election would assure at least a few tin pot dictators try to take advantage of this. No idea how Bernie would respond to such provocations.
3rdnlng Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 he kicked her butt. he's pandering to no one. this debate convinced me that he is acting as a gadfly just as socrates described. he's illuminating the hypocrisy of pretty much every other candidate while speaking the truth capably. he's a very intelligent man. i don't think anyone can honestly dispute that. bravo bernie! You and I are on opposite sides of the political sphere. It is my opinion though that Bernie is most likely a decent, principled person. That makes him likable regardless of his misguided politics. Hillary, on the other hand believes only in what will (in her mind) win her the presidency. She is not principled or likable. Could you vote for her if she won the nomination?
Captain Hindsight Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 You and I are on opposite sides of the political sphere. It is my opinion though that Bernie is most likely a decent, principled person. That makes him likable regardless of his misguided politics. Hillary, on the other hand believes only in what will (in her mind) win her the presidency. She is not principled or likable. Could you vote for her if she won the nomination? I couldn't. I dont trust her at all. I dont know what she stands for and if she is an honest person. Bernie is at least sincere
Deranged Rhino Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 I couldn't. I dont trust her at all. I dont know what she stands for and if she is an honest person. Bernie is at least sincere Hillary stands for Hillary. That's it.
3rdnlng Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 With Hillary as President we'll continue our state of perma-war and probably add in one or two new theaters of action because she's bought and paid for by those who profit most from war. So are Rubio and Cruz. Bernie is a huge liability on the foreign policy front, his election would assure at least a few tin pot dictators try to take advantage of this. No idea how Bernie would respond to such provocations. I don't buy your Rubio or Cruz assertions---yet. I'm in my research stage and at this point in time wish Kasich would state his immigration policy. I like his competency and demeanor. I also agree with his other stances posted on his website. Competency, after the last 7 plus years is very important to me, but I gotta generally agree with their positions to consider them.
unbillievable Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Bernie would give Iran nuclear material if he believed it would lower their carbon footprint. He has said many times that global warming is the biggest threat to America.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 I don't buy your Rubio or Cruz assertions---yet. I'm in my research stage and at this point in time wish Kasich would state his immigration policy. I like his competency and demeanor. I also agree with his other stances posted on his website. Competency, after the last 7 plus years is very important to me, but I gotta generally agree with their positions to consider them. Rubio is the biggest hawk remaining on the right, Hillary trumps him (imo) but they're fairly close. Not only is Rubio's rhetoric the most aggressive, he, Cruz and Hillary all have the same foreign policy think tank advising their campaigns. https://theintercept.com/2015/12/18/beacon-global-strategies/
3rdnlng Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 I couldn't. I dont trust her at all. I dont know what she stands for and if she is an honest person. Bernie is at least sincere Yes, Bernie is sincere and I appreciate that. It makes him likable, but I would never vote for him. I would actually hold my nose and vote for Trump before voting for Clinton or Sanders. I am not the biggest Trump fan by any means, but see him as a better bet than either of the democrat candidates.
IDBillzFan Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 ...but I could see her getting votes from those who chief concern is competency. Competent at what exactly? Corruption? Laundering foreign funds for uranium deals? Skirting FOIA? Trashing young women who were abused by her skirt-chasing hubby? There is no way any thinking, rational person wants anything from Hillary beyond her going away and leaving America alone.
/dev/null Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/14/news/companies/ikea-tax-avoidance-europe/index.html?iid=surge-story-summary
OCinBuffalo Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) he kicked her butt. he's pandering to no one. this debate convinced me that he is acting as a gadfly just as socrates described. he's illuminating the hypocrisy of pretty much every other candidate while speaking the truth capably. he's a very intelligent man. i don't think anyone can honestly dispute that. bravo bernie! I want to try a little experiment here. Listen: Replace Sanders in what you posted above with Trump. Do it with intellectual honesty. Think: In what way isn't Trump being the very same gadfly? No. Don't talk yet. This is still the think part. Think about it. Trump has gone after every single R for all kinds of reasons. And, in doing so? He has innoculated every single R, against all the attacks the Ds might use against them. Why? Because it will be old news. Remember that Hillary started the birther thing...and its later use by the Rs, and Trump, produced nothing. Think. Trump is a businessman, not an idealogue, which means he keeps his options open. Trump could, just like Bernie, be merely doing his part as stalking horse, just like he so obviously did for the NFL when it came to buying the Bills. Trump ensured that the buying price of the team was over 1 billion, which ensured that other teams weren't devalued, which in Jerry Jones's case, keeps him solvent. Trump can do whatever he wants, but more importantly, he can do favors and make whatever deals he wants. Who is to say that Trump, in the end, doesn't bow out of the race, get behind one of the other guys, and get himself a job as Treasury Secretary? He might do that, he might not: options open. But, one thing is certain: he has exposed who/what he wanted to expose, and, EVERYBODY now has to speak to his issues, on his terms. How is any of this truly different than Bernie, in terms of the end result? Talk: Now you can talk. (EDIT: Here's an example of "Trump's Issues", the Trans-Pacific Partnership. That had a chance of passing before Trump. Now? Speaker Ryan just said it's DOA without major adjustments, not because of him, but because it doesn't have the votes from either party. Bernie is talking, and while you might find that admirable? Trump is doing: killing legislation that hurts American jobs/companies, by talking. That's what I mean when I say speak to his issues, on his terms.) Edited February 16, 2016 by OCinBuffalo
tomato can Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Interesting read. Not sure he a conservative like he claims to be. http://brokeassstuart.com/blog/2016/02/15/im-a-conservative-who-supports-bernie-sanders-heres-why/
OCinBuffalo Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Interesting read. Not sure he a conservative like he claims to be. http://brokeassstuart.com/blog/2016/02/15/im-a-conservative-who-supports-bernie-sanders-heres-why/ What gave that away? Of course he's not a conservative. Or a libertarian for that matter. An actual libertarian understands the difference between seflishness and self-interest, starting with the fact that that these two words do not mean the same thing. Acting in one's self-interest, properly understood, means getting out of bed in the morning and going to work, because: 1. nobody is going to do that for you, nor should they 2. this is what allows one to retain self-respect 3. it's your responsibility to yourself, first, and then society. That is the philosophy, and this guy doesn't understand it whatsoever. It's not immoral or amoral to have a complete lack of respect and 0 compassion for those who consistenly make bad choices, none of which are in their own, TRUE, self-interest, refuse to take responsibility for themselves, or refuse to put up a fight when they hit adversity. And, compassion is not mutually exclusive from libertarian thought. We can have compassion, we can even support safety nets. We cannot support safety hammocks. Fundamentally, the argument against socialism is that it does its best to disincentivize EVERYONE from both literally and figuratively getting out of bed in the morning and going to work, in lots of ways, and stay in their government-sponsored safety hammock instead. But perhaps the most important facet of the argument is that when government takes an active role in disincentivising work for an entire society, this curtails the nation's self-respect, which in turn replaces personal responsibility with entitlement. Sound familiar? Isn't that what we have right now? What is the far left talking about it if is not what they are entitled to, and who they are entitled to take it from? Remember the OWS clown who said he was entitled to an $80k a year...entry level job? See how the sense of entitlement isn't limited to poor people/the uneducated? Libertarians properly recognize that entitlement is a symptom that effects all classes, and socialism/crony capitalism is the disease that causes it. We, libertarians, aren't talking about poor-bashing, or unabashed greed being good, or any of the other misinterpretations/intentional distortions that the left characterizes our positions as. What we are talking about is real selfishness: expecting society to reward one for merely existing, with no consideration as to whether one has made a single good choice in their own self-interest in the last (insert timeframe), and then expecting the government to take that reward from somebody else every (insert timeframe), who actually earned what they have....by making good choices that are in their own self-interest. See? It's not that hard to understand: "be the hero in your own life". However, the left is seriously threatened by this...because its true. So, they go out of their way to distort it. Edited February 17, 2016 by OCinBuffalo
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