Very wide right Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 But his car is nicer than yours. Uh, real men don't drive cars.Trucks for me.
birdog1960 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) The piece of paper, I'm sure, means a lot of things, but it doesn't mean you're smart. It just means you were able to navigate barriers. That fact that you have a couple of those "papers" and you can't understand this basic reality only helps prove my point. why don't we diagram the logic: in general the higher the degree one holds the more they earn. degrees from top school statistically result in even higher earnings admission is highly competitive at top schools. top schools select students for admission in a large part on test scores designed to measure intelligence and aptitude. these test are to a significant extent validated. and the final premise: high earning is considered important by a large majority of people. conclusion: intelligent people seeking higher earnings will generally seek higher degrees at top schools. compared to the general population, people that matriculated and completed degrees at top institutions are more intelligent and have greater aptitude. so, have at it. attack the premises or conclusion. honestly, i think a more robust conclusion is supported but lets start here. Edited July 23, 2015 by birdog1960
Very wide right Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 why don't we diagram the logic: in general the higher the degree one holds the more they earn. degrees from top school statistically result in even higher earnings admission is highly competitive at top schools. top schools select students for admission in a large part on test scores designed to measure intelligence and aptitude. these test are to a significant extent validated. and the final premise: high earning is considered important by a large majority of people. conclusion: intelligent people seeking higher earnings will generally seek higher degrees at top schools. compared to the general population, people that matriculated and completed degrees at top institutions are more intelligent and have greater aptitude. so, have at it. attack the premises or conclusion. honestly, i think a more robust conclusion is supported but lets start here. The most incompetent person I ever worked with was a Harvard graduate.
birdog1960 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 The most incompetent person I ever worked with was a Harvard graduate. yes. the conclusion isn't that everyone from harvard is competent.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 why don't we diagram the logic: in general the higher the degree one holds the more they earn. degrees from top school statistically result in even higher earnings admission is highly competitive at top schools. top schools select students for admission in a large part on test scores designed to measure intelligence and aptitude. these test are to a significant extent validated. and the final premise: high earning is considered important by a large majority of people. conclusion: intelligent people seeking higher earnings will generally seek higher degrees at top schools. compared to the general population, people that matriculated and completed degrees at top institutions are more intelligent and have greater aptitude. so, have at it. attack the premises or conclusion. honestly, i think a more robust conclusion is supported but lets start here. Unless, of course, you're George W. Bush and graduated from Yale. AMIRITE?
birdog1960 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Unless, of course, you're George W. Bush and graduated from Yale. AMIRITE? ibid. see last response
Joe Miner Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 why don't we diagram the logic: in general the higher the degree one holds the more they earn. degrees from top school statistically result in even higher earnings admission is highly competitive at top schools. top schools select students for admission in a large part on test scores designed to measure intelligence and aptitude. these test are to a significant extent validated. and the final premise: high earning is considered important by a large majority of people. conclusion: intelligent people seeking higher earnings will generally seek higher degrees at top schools. compared to the general population, people that matriculated and completed degrees at top institutions are more intelligent and have greater aptitude. so, have at it. attack the premises or conclusion. honestly, i think a more robust conclusion is supported but lets start here. Try not to ever use the word logic again.
birdog1960 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Try not to ever use the word logic again. is there a premise you feel is false? conclusion not supported? i skipped a few steps in an attempt at brevity but you skipped everything.
IDBillzFan Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) why don't we diagram the logic: in general the higher the degree one holds the more they earn. degrees from top school statistically result in even higher earnings admission is highly competitive at top schools. top schools select students for admission in a large part on test scores designed to measure intelligence and aptitude. these test are to a significant extent validated. and the final premise: high earning is considered important by a large majority of people. conclusion: intelligent people seeking higher earnings will generally seek higher degrees at top schools. compared to the general population, people that matriculated and completed degrees at top institutions are more intelligent and have greater aptitude. so, have at it. attack the premises or conclusion. honestly, i think a more robust conclusion is supported but lets start here. It's bad enough you don't know how to start a sentence with an upper-case letter, but then you somehow think diagramming your logic renders it accurate? It's like everything you know about being smart came at the end of the Wizard of Oz, when the wizard gave the scarecrow a degree and with the degree in hand, he could suddenly and immediately recite math equations. I don't give a crap if you ace every test in every class in your entire life and your bedroom walls are filled with framed degrees. Earning and accomplishing all of that means a lot, but it no way, shape or form immediately means the holder of those papers is smart. One last time...slowly...with small words....having a degree does not mean you are smart. Edited July 23, 2015 by LABillzFan
birdog1960 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) It's bad enough you don't know how to start a sentence with an upper-case letter, but then you somehow think diagramming your logic renders it accurate? It's like everything you know about being smart came at the end of the Wizard of Oz, when the wizard gave the scarecrow a degree and with the degree in hand, he could suddenly and immediately recite math equations. I don't give a crap if you ace every test in every class in your entire life and your bedroom walls are filled with framed degrees. Earning and accomplishing all of that means a lot, but it no way, shape or form immediately means the holder of those papers is smart. One last time...slowly...with small words....having a degree does not mean you are smart. agreed. so what? let's amend the 4th premise to "designed to measure intelligence and aptitude against the general population" is that better? yeah. Edited July 23, 2015 by birdog1960
IDBillzFan Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 agreed. so what? If you agree that a piece of paper does not mean you're smart, then why are you wasting any more time on this? You can amend whatever you want, we still agree on the main point.
birdog1960 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 If you agree that a piece of paper does not mean you're smart, then why are you wasting any more time on this? You can amend whatever you want, we still agree on the main point. conclusion: intelligent people seeking higher earnings will generally seek higher degrees at top schools. compared to the general population, people that matriculated and completed degrees at top institutions are more intelligent and have greater aptitude. these statements are not mutually exclusive. smart than the general population doesn't necessarily mean smart.
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 conclusion: intelligent people seeking higher earnings will generally seek higher degrees at top schools. compared to the general population, people that matriculated and completed degrees at top institutions are more intelligent and have greater aptitude. these statements are not mutually exclusive. smart than the general population doesn't necessarily mean smart. People who seek higher degrees at top schools are seeking to become acknowledged experts in a given field. "More intelligent" and "have greater aptitude" doesn't mean they know **** from shinola outside their specialty. It's a common fallacy...thinking that "educated in one thing" means knowing everything. Much more prevalent among people who are beholden to authoritarian viewpoints and beliefs.
Chef Jim Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 wrong. just finished talking to a guy who is retired faculty from exeter in new hampshire. very well read. very high information level. and he told me he sent sanders money. Where does he get his opinions....sorry......information from?
Azalin Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 and he told me he sent sanders money. He's going to keep sending it - a lot of it - if Sanders wins.
Ozymandius Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 IQ is different from wisdom, anyway. For example, a significant number of these "elites" believe that gender is fluid but sexual orientation is unchangeable. That's freaking retarded.
IDBillzFan Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 conclusion: intelligent people seeking higher earnings will generally seek higher degrees at top schools. compared to the general population, people that matriculated and completed degrees at top institutions are more intelligent and have greater aptitude. these statements are not mutually exclusive. smart than the general population doesn't necessarily mean smart. The more you try to sound smart, the more you prove my point.
Alaska Darin Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 Elitism is a good thing in education. Our resident liberal hypocrite has given us yet another pearl of "wisdom."
birdog1960 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 People who seek higher degrees at top schools are seeking to become acknowledged experts in a given field. "More intelligent" and "have greater aptitude" doesn't mean they know **** from shinola outside their specialty. It's a common fallacy...thinking that "educated in one thing" means knowing everything. Much more prevalent among people who are beholden to authoritarian viewpoints and beliefs. many are likely seeking this as well. but how many do you think would spend the time and effort on higher degrees if they were destined to earn the same as someone that only finished high school? no, they desire to be valued more by society while simultaneously being more valuable to it. IQ is different from wisdom, anyway. For example, a significant number of these "elites" believe that gender is fluid but sexual orientation is unchangeable. That's freaking retarded. and you probably criticized clinton for wondering what the definition of is is. there's a commonly understood and accepted definition of intelligence or "smartness". it involves having a knowledge base and the ability to problem solve and apply that knowledge base among other skills. throughout the history of man it has become clear that formal education is the most effective way for most people to develop those attributes and skills. there are exceptions but they are just that. Elitism is a good thing in education. Our resident liberal hypocrite has given us yet another pearl of "wisdom." who said sanders voters would be "low information".? what do you base that on? that's what began this debate. the word "smart" or intelligent" wasn't brought up until the word "faculty" was attacked. it does go to a foundation of the separation of contemporary right and left politics, however: respect for classic learning versus contempt of it.
birdog1960 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 Where does he get his opinions....sorry......information from? firstly, he's been taught and has taught others how to examine data and information by a systematic method, found over the centuries to be effective. he knows the classics which are called that for a reason. he's travelled extensively so that he's seen alternative cultural norms and customs. he knows history. he knows scientific method. he knows how to read and write well. he understands math well enough to understand basic physics. he's studied logic. as far as media, i suspect he uses a wide variety of sources but i've never asked. he seems to know and understand opposing viewpoints to his own.
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