....lybob Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Bernie is not Hitler but he might be a NAZI http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism In the Bernieverse, there’s a whole lot of nationalism mixed up in the socialism. He is, in fact, leading a national-socialist movement, which is a queasy and uncomfortable thing to write about a man who is the son of Jewish immigrants from Poland and whose family was murdered in the Holocaust. But there is no other way to characterize his views and his politics.
LeviF Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Bernie is not Hitler but he might be a NAZI http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism Oh dear god*
KD in CA Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 That's pretty much all of liberalism in a nutshell. Make the situation of ~80% worse to marginally improve that of the other ~20%. And ignore the fact there will still be a top 1%, except now it will be entirely comprised of the government officials who are responsible for ensuring the 'playing field' is 'level'.
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Bernie is not Hitler but he might be a NAZI http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism That's a wonderfully written piece, in terms of entertainment. A little light on facts and accuracy, and it's hard to take seriously someone who doesn't know how to spell "Lionel." But very amusing. Yes, Bernie's a nationalist. And he's a socialist. But being a nationalist and a socialist does not a "national socialist" make.
Alaska Darin Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 If the unthinkable happens and Sanders wins, I will stockpile canned goods, MRE's, ammunition, and convert my savings into gold coin. He'll make the Greek crisis look like a weekend block party. How exactly would he do that?
Magox Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 How exactly would he do that? Of course that wouldn't happen, having said that he does support a 90% top tax rate on the wealthy, single payer healthcare and free education for everyone. Growth would go way down, companies would move their businesses somewhere else, tax revenues would go down and the federal budget would explode. Of course, he wouldn't be able to get any of this passed through congress, but assuming they were all Californian's, his agenda would put the country in shambles in short order.
Alaska Darin Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 link? canada for example? if i were conservative, i wouldn't worry too much about bernie. the media will almost certainly produce a howard dean type event if he gets to close to winning. he's much too likely to actually change the status quo. The media doesn't have to produce anything and Sanders has about a zero percent chance of accomplishing anything he's actually campaigning on. Much like Bill Clinton, who managed to not pass the BTU tax, Health Care Reform, Freedom to Choose, fixing the VA, cutting 100k bureaucrats or adding 100k cops, "Putting People First", etc, etc etc, Some of you people are just so !@#$ing stupid.
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 How exactly would he do that?He wants to dissolve investment banks. Think about what that means for a few minutes.
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Of course that wouldn't happen, having said that he does support a 90% top tax rate on the wealthy, single payer healthcare and free education for everyone. Growth would go way down, companies would move their businesses somewhere else, tax revenues would go down and the federal budget would explode. Of course, he wouldn't be able to get any of this passed through congress, but assuming they were all Californian's, his agenda would put the country in shambles in short order. He also wants to dissolve corporations and banks, and turn everything in to workers co-ops. Admittedly, he'll never get that through Congress...but if he had things his way, yeah, we'd be as bad off as Greece.
Alaska Darin Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 He wants to dissolve investment banks. Think about what that means for a few minutes. It doesn't matter what he "wants." He has zero ability to actually get anything done. Look at his Congressional record...
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 It doesn't matter what he "wants." He has zero ability to actually get anything done. Look at his Congressional record... Between Treasury and the SEC, he could tear them apart with regulatory changes. While that may have been zero chance a decade ago, we now have a significant precedent for rule by executive diktat, so I'd say there's a small chance.
Alaska Darin Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Between Treasury and the SEC, he could tear them apart with regulatory changes. While that may have been zero chance a decade ago, we now have a significant precedent for rule by executive diktat, so I'd say there's a small chance. I can't see that continuing much longer. The whole precedent thing is ridiculous and the reason that stands up as some kind of Holy Grail has always been mind boggling. The legal "system" in this country is totally (and probably irrevocably) broken because people keep standing behind "precedent" as the main reason to keep ****ty laws in place. And there's no way a dude looking like Statler is going to be elected President in the era of HD television.
birdog1960 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) The media doesn't have to produce anything and Sanders has about a zero percent chance of accomplishing anything he's actually campaigning on. Much like Bill Clinton, who managed to not pass the BTU tax, Health Care Reform, Freedom to Choose, fixing the VA, cutting 100k bureaucrats or adding 100k cops, "Putting People First", etc, etc etc, Some of you people are just so !@#$ing stupid. i think you are mostly correct. i think he could make some significant changes, however. his cabinet, for instance could be very interesting. fda regulates cigarettes via the surgeon general (remember everett koop?) for example. epa doing all kinds of stuff. usda banning red slime (i suppose mcdonald's did that all by themselves. tobacco and firearms would be the big one for many of you all. it would be a constant push. so yeah, i think if he gets close we'll see a howard dean moment. he has very little realistic chance anyway. his money will run out way too soon. he'll miss all the shiny object voters and they are legion. Edited July 23, 2015 by birdog1960
....lybob Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 He also wants to dissolve corporations and banks, and turn everything in to workers co-ops. Admittedly, he'll never get that through Congress...but if he had things his way, yeah, we'd be as bad off as Greece. how bad off would Greece really be if they had nukes, 10 carrier strike groups, and the world reserve currency
DC Tom Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 how bad off would Greece really be if they had nukes, 10 carrier strike groups, and the world reserve currency For how long do you think the US dollar would be the world's reserve currency after investment banks are dissolved?
unbillievable Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 It doesn't matter what he "wants." He has zero ability to actually get anything done. Look at his Congressional record... So you're willing to vote for an insane person because you believe there is no way in hell anyone will follow crazy down the rabbit hole? Have you not noticed the sheer amount of idiots walking down the street? Isn't the mere existence of Gatorman soundly disprove your assumption?
Alaska Darin Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 So you're willing to vote for an insane person because you believe there is no way in hell anyone will follow crazy down the rabbit hole? Have you not noticed the sheer amount of idiots walking down the street? Isn't the mere existence of Gatorman soundly disprove your assumption? How the !@#$ did you get the idea that I'm "willing to vote for Sanders" out of anything I've ever posted?
unbillievable Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) How the !@#$ did you get the idea that I'm "willing to vote for Sanders" out of anything I've ever posted? You're defending his craziness. I know, I know...you're probably going to say that you didn't, (not really) but by undermining the policies pointed out by other posters by saying they're too liberal to pass, you've turned yourself into his campaign's spin doctor, directing people not to look behind the curtain until it's too late. Now let's get to the point. What exactly is your opinion on Sanders? Are you okay with the Idea of Sanders getting elected because you feel safe that his policies are too far left to pass? Isn't that how we ended up with Obama? Edited July 23, 2015 by unbillievable
3rdnlng Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 You're defending his craziness. I know, I know...you're probably going to say that you didn't, (not really) but by undermining the policies pointed out by other posters by saying they're too liberal to pass, you've turned yourself into his campaign's spin doctor, directing people not to look behind the curtain until it's too late. Now let's get to the point. What exactly is your opinion on Sanders? Are you okay with the Idea of Sanders getting elected because you feel safe that his policies are too far left to pass? Isn't that how we ended up with Obama? You're an idiot and a !@#$ing moron. My advice to you is to get to know this board a little better before you make any more outrageous statements, ie. calling me a liberal or Darin a Sanders supporter.
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