bbb Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 What? Free college for everyone won't happen? Oh, man... This free college tuition thing - how would it work? Just at public colleges? What happens to private colleges then. The ones not named Harvard, Duke, etc. They're hurting bad as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 This free college tuition thing - how would it work? Just at public colleges? What happens to private colleges then. The ones not named Harvard, Duke, etc. They're hurting bad as it is. Here's the start of an explanation. http://www.marketplace.org/topics/education/learning-curve/how-german-higher-education-controls-costs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) Out of the current field I think Bernie Sanders has my support. Although I don't agree with all of his positions (I think 15$ minimum wage has unintended consequences among other things) but I do think that most of his policies align with what the American people want and what makes sense pragmatically. Also the fact that Sanders has been consistent with his positions and doesn't have a Super PAC and a big issue of his is campaign finance reform (My personal number 1 issue, as none of the nations problems gets solved without it). So I think Bernie is the most likely to stand for what people actually care about and not big business interests. Hillary is another big business Dem and the rest are Hillary lite on the Dem side. Most of the Republicans are bat **** crazy although John Kasich is the only one I would consider voting for if I learned more about his platform and liked it. Edited August 27, 2015 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Out of the current field I think Bernie Sanders has my support. Although I don't agree with all of his positions (I think 15$ minimum wage has unintended consequences among other things) but I do think that most of his policies align with what the American people want and what makes sense pragmatically. Also the fact that Sanders has been consistent with his positions and doesn't have a Super PAC and a big issue of his is campaign finance reform (My personal number 1 issue, as none of the nations problems gets solved without it). So I think Bernie is the most likely to stand for what people actually care about and not big business interests. Hillary is another big business Dem and the rest are Hillary lite on the Dem side. Most of the Republicans are bat **** crazy although John Kasich is the only one I would consider voting for if I learned more about his platform and liked it. You think the nationalization of markets and the forcible shifting of corporate ownership to worker communes is pragmatic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Here's the start of an explanation. http://www.marketplace.org/topics/education/learning-curve/how-german-higher-education-controls-costs Yes, and you have to pass the Abitur to even get in to college. If you want to implement the same "You must pass this exam to go to college" principle in the US, you'd fix the cost of higher education very quickly. But that would never happen, because we tell everyone that everyone has a right to tertiary education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Here's the start of an explanation. http://www.marketplace.org/topics/education/learning-curve/how-german-higher-education-controls-costs Now we want to be like Germany? I thought we wanted to be like Sweden. Is there an Ikea in Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) This free college tuition thing - how would it work? Just at public colleges? What happens to private colleges then. The ones not named Harvard, Duke, etc. They're hurting bad as it is. Well, if it's going to truly "free" then I guess the professors and administrators, building maintenance people, food service workers, security staff, and every other person currently employed at one of these schools would have to donate their time and service and work gratis. That sounds plausible. After all, it's for the children. How else are they going to get employable skills and then get good paying jobs like being a college professor or administrator. Oh wait... Damn. Edited August 27, 2015 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 You think the nationalization of markets and the forcible shifting of corporate ownership to worker communes is pragmatic? Are you actually familiar with Bernie's politics? It seems like you're attempting to foist stereotypes about of Socialism and Communism onto Bernies brand of Democratic Socialism. Where did you pull "worker communes" from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Are you actually familiar with Bernie's politics? It seems like you're attempting to foist stereotypes about of Socialism and Communism onto Bernies brand of Democratic Socialism. Where did you pull "worker communes" from? Yes, how dare he represent a member of the Socialist party as a traditional socialist. Sanders has said - repeatedly - that he wants to do away with capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) Yes, and you have to pass the Abitur to even get in to college. If you want to implement the same "You must pass this exam to go to college" principle in the US, you'd fix the cost of higher education very quickly. But that would never happen, because we tell everyone that everyone has a right to tertiary education. I may agree with you, that the problem isn't that those who don't deserve it can't afford it. The problem is that most have to borrow large amounts, and some who do deserve it, can't afford it. I don't think that a "free for all," system will be proposed. That's impractical. And, even if you don't deserve it, there will still be plenty of private institutions who will accept you, if you can afford it. If you don't deserve it, and can't afford it, well, college isn't for everyone. Yes, how dare he represent a member of the Socialist party as a traditional socialist. Sanders has said - repeatedly - that he wants to do away with capitalism. Oh yeah. Then it would be easy for us to pull up a relevant quote. Edited August 27, 2015 by Franz Kafka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Are you actually familiar with Bernie's politics? It seems like you're attempting to foist stereotypes about of Socialism and Communism onto Bernies brand of Democratic Socialism. Where did you pull "worker communes" from? Ummm... Plank #3 of his economic agenda posted on his own campaign website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Ummm... Plank #3 of his economic agenda posted on his own campaign website? I can't the commune mention that you speak of. But it's some great reading. https://berniesanders.com/issues/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I can't the commune mention that you speak of. But it's some great reading. https://berniesanders.com/issues/ I apologize, it didn't make it on to his website. It's from a pre-campaign piece he authored. Here's the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I apologize, it didn't make it on to his website. It's from a pre-campaign piece he authored. Here's the link. Fair enough. I see where you where going with that. "We need to provide assistance to workers who want to purchase their own businesses by establishing worker-owned cooperatives. Study after study shows that when workers have an ownership stake in the businesses they work for, productivity goes up, absenteeism goes down and employees are much more satisfied with their jobs." I doubt that he's backed down from that stance. It's very Burlington. It's not seizing property. Co-ops don't have dictators, and he's not saying that anyone has to become Co-operative. I see the strength of the argument, as being, increased productivity when each worker in the start-up has skin in the game. I could see this "encouragement (tax incentives)" being good for very small businesses. The co-operative system breaks down, though, as it grows with size. Having to recognize each workers input grows burdensome past a certain point, say 30 workers, or about the size of a good sized classroom. It's great for local bakeries, coffee shops, breweries, restaurants, farms, etc. It would be bad, and impractical for big businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 It would be bad, and impractical for big businesses. Waaaaait a minute! Are you saying that studies show when a worker has an ownership stake in a business, they show up more? Really? Gee, thanks for that amazing insight, Bern. Hey...here's an idea, Bern. Let's create a government program specifically for this purpose. Yeah. We can call it, oh, gee, something simple like, oh, gee...hey, how about the US Small Business Administration? They could help Tommy Tinkertoy and Sally Muffintop create business plans, get loans, and do all kinds of things so they can start their own business and finally have a reason to show up for work, increase their productivity and stop calling in sick!!! Geez, Bern. Any idea how hard it is to make Biden look smart in comparison? Well, you did it, Bern. Great scott! Someone call Marty McFly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Imagine a world where people can just come together to create jobs! No bosses. No Products. No Stress. People show up. Do whatever work feels right. Then get paid at the end of the day. Vote Bernie Sanders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Waaaaait a minute! Are you saying that studies show when a worker has an ownership stake in a business, they show up more? Really? Gee, thanks for that amazing insight, Bern. Hey...here's an idea, Bern. Let's create a government program specifically for this purpose. Yeah. We can call it, oh, gee, something simple like, oh, gee...hey, how about the US Small Business Administration? They could help Tommy Tinkertoy and Sally Muffintop create business plans, get loans, and do all kinds of things so they can start their own business and finally have a reason to show up for work, increase their productivity and stop calling in sick!!! Geez, Bern. Any idea how hard it is to make Biden look smart in comparison? Well, you did it, Bern. Great scott! Someone call Marty McFly!!! Are you implying that Biden looks dumb, in comparison to Bernie, who is advocating these common sense policies that, in your opinion, improve worker productivity? Edited August 28, 2015 by Franz Kafka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Waaaaait a minute! Are you saying that studies show when a worker has an ownership stake in a business, they show up more? Really? Gee, thanks for that amazing insight, Bern. Hey...here's an idea, Bern. Let's create a government program specifically for this purpose. Yeah. We can call it, oh, gee, something simple like, oh, gee...hey, how about the US Small Business Administration? They could help Tommy Tinkertoy and Sally Muffintop create business plans, get loans, and do all kinds of things so they can start their own business and finally have a reason to show up for work, increase their productivity and stop calling in sick!!! Geez, Bern. Any idea how hard it is to make Biden look smart in comparison? Well, you did it, Bern. Great scott! Someone call Marty McFly!!! No, instead we have to dissolve corporate entities, and GIVE businesses to the workers who can't/won't go out and start their own businesses. Because then they'll reform and become responsible business owners. Because...magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Are you implying that Biden looks dumb, in comparison to Bernie, who is advocating these common sense policies that, in your opinion, improve worker productivity? Are you implying Bern is trying to offer something that, at this moment, doesn't exist? Tell us...what does Bern know the rest of the world doesn't know? We'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Are you implying that Biden looks dumb, in comparison to Bernie, who is advocating these common sense policies that, in your opinion, improve worker productivity? They both have always looked dumb. Shall I post the Biden "Villages" commercial or his thoughts on going after Osama Bin Laden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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