birdog1960 Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Says the guy who aligns himself with a resident SoProg like ...lybob who literally believes college is bad like cancer and as a result Wall Street should pay for it to make college good again. We can do this all day. just pointing out that beauty pageants aren't widely embraced by progressives. (shake those pom poms girls!) now trump clearly has a different opinion. how would any woman besides a nitwit like the video cartoon character you linked, ever consider voting for him? Edited August 23, 2015 by birdog1960
Magox Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Nothing is free, right? So when we speak about "free" education, basically we mean government paid education. Lets put aside the tremendous cost of taking on such an endeavor and focus on what I believe is the root problem, which is inflation in tuition rates. Having the government pay for the tuition of students in private Universities will not solve this issue if anything it would exacerbate the inflationary rates of tuitions as there tends to be more waste from government spending. Unless of course they propose something similar as what they do for Healthcare in Medicare or on exchange ACA policies where they lower the medical reimbursement rates to the medical providers as opposed to Providers who accept the off exchange plans. I'm noticing now, which was expected and I remember saying this years ago when they were trying to pass the law. That we are now beginning to see a two tier medical system. Those who receive the subsidies that get good benefits and often get their plans extremely cheap, BUT the providers specially in the HMO, EPO, POS accepted policies rely on VOLUME. Since they don't charge that much from the insurer because of the lower medical reimbursement rates, the quality of care is lessened. Takes in many cases months before you can see your primary care physician. The allotted time that you have with your physician is less. In many cases, more so in the less populated areas, you may not even be able to see certain sort of specialists in the network. In other words, if you are willing to pay more and get a PPO or go off exchange you can get higher quality of care. My point is, would the government in order to lower costs try to adopt a similar tact? pay out less to Universities that decide to participate? Of course if they did, same issue, the quality of education most likely would suffer because you'd most likely see more administrative cuts, larger class sizes etc. I also fear that if government is paying the tab, they would have more say in the curriculum. Geez, it's extremely liberal as it is, too much so. Imagine how further out to the left it would go once they are paying the tab. Of course this would present a quandary for liberal politicians as the teachers/professors are a voting constituency and Democrats more often than not use identity politics to form their coalition. How would educators react if the cutting of administrative costs meant the lowering or the growth of their wages were to slow? I don't think they'd be happy with that. In any case, I don't see how this is a workable proposal in regards to slowing the inflation in tuitions
IDBillzFan Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 how would any woman besides a nitwit like the video cartoon character you linked, ever consider voting for him?Says the guy who insists the best way forward for America is to elect as president an avowed Socialist because...Ikea. I don't see much of a drop off from you to her.
Who is Yuri? Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 On something of a side note, what do you think about modern American political correctness and the systematic destruction of those who step over a PC line? The term "political correctness" bothers me. It reminds me of Soviet dictates. If individuals are being systematically destroyed for not following the parties line of thinking, that's a problem to me, mostly if the line is being set and enforced by a dominant political party. That said, a person shouldn't expect to be applauded for everything that he or she says.
Rob's House Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 The term "political correctness" bothers me. It reminds me of Soviet dictates. If individuals are being systematically destroyed for not following the parties line of thinking, that's a problem to me, mostly if the line is being set and enforced by a dominant political party. That said, a person shouldn't expect to be applauded for everything that he or she says. I was referring more to the current practice where someone says something deemed offensive and then a handful of activists aided by the media pressure companies to cancel/fire/boycott the speaker.
Magox Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 I've always decried PC, it has gone off the rails. But what we are seeing now is a product of this faux outrage that is occurring in our society. Just like anything, it's a pendulum and as a direct result of this, now people are wanting to take this too far to the other side. Now for some politicians, it's becoming a contest of who can say the most offensive comment and if charged with going too far, they want to protect themselves under the guise of "Thats PC bull ****". I will say what I want. That act may make some of its supporters feel good, but it will wear thin. There is a balance, from too much PC to being overly bombastic, there is a medium to be found.
Who is Yuri? Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 I was referring more to the current practice where someone says something deemed offensive and then a handful of activists aided by the media pressure companies to cancel/fire/boycott the speaker. I liken it to the war on poverty. Spokesmen get all fired up woth roghteous anger only to ensure the payroll expands in their bloated ineffective and redundant anti-povery agencies. The folks who get the most Twitter and Media-outraged at income inequality or political incorrectness or a host of other issues are really self-serving attention seekers. I think there's some truth to that.
Rob's House Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 I liken it to the war on poverty. Spokesmen get all fired up woth roghteous anger only to ensure the payroll expands in their bloated ineffective and redundant anti-povery agencies. The folks who get the most Twitter and Media-outraged at income inequality or political incorrectness or a host of other issues are really self-serving attention seekers. I think there's some truth to that. Dig it. I don't share your economic outlook (I understand the desired outcome but don't see how it can realistically be achieved), but I have a great deal more respect for the true Bernie supporters than I do for rank and file Democrat hacks.
Who is Yuri? Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Dig it. I don't share your economic outlook (I understand the desired outcome but don't see how it can realistically be achieved), but I have a great deal more respect for the true Bernie supporters than I do for rank and file Democrat hacks. I agree that the rank and file Democrats are so invested in what looks good for themselves (head up their own asses) to have a clue about what's really happening in the lives of Ordinary (in the best sense of the word, think Bills fans) Americans. It's an alternate reality that many of the Dem. pundits, Hollywood Libs., and mega-rich activists are living in. I'm going to listen to some Neil Young, man. "Ordinary People" I hear Bernie's been rockin' the Neil at his rally's, ever since Neil came out for Bernie and denounced Trump.
Chef Jim Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 This whole musician double standar crap of "I don't like you so you are not allowed to use my music but I like you so it's ok" bugs me.
Who is Yuri? Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 This whole musician double standar crap of "I don't like you so you are not allowed to use my music but I like you so it's ok" bugs me. How would you deal with it in a restaurant? Do you cater an event to a candidate you don't like? It would probably depend, but I wonder what you think. Neil Young is his own guy, but his influence is big on kids of hippies, and those kids are starting to have kids of their own. I'm working on the theory that we all get influenced by our parents at some point, (or the parents of our friends).
Chef Jim Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 How would you deal with it in a restaurant? Do you cater an event to a candidate you don't like? It would probably depend, but I wonder what you think. Neil Young is his own guy, but his influence is big on kids of hippies, and those kids are starting to have kids of their own. I'm working on the theory that we all get influenced by our parents at some point, (or the parents of our friends). How wouid I handle it in my restaurant? If Hillary showed up and wanted to have a rally at my restaurant I'd have zero issue with it. Just write me the check. If I had a restaurant and refused to serve people that didn't agree with me I'd go out of business real quick.
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 How would you deal with it in a restaurant? Do you cater an event to a candidate you don't like? It would probably depend, but I wonder what you think. Neil Young is his own guy, but his influence is big on kids of hippies, and those kids are starting to have kids of their own. I'm working on the theory that we all get influenced by our parents at some point, (or the parents of our friends). I would think that if a baker is forced to make a cake for a gay wedding or be shut down and subject to fines, Neil Young should have no say in who gets to use his music, or should be disallowed from participating in the music industry and be subject to fines.
Who is Yuri? Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 I think Neil was within his right to say that Trump didn't get permission to play "Rockin' in the Free World." It's more of a Bernie song anyway. Ah, hell. I am Socialist.
Who is Yuri? Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Trump’s supporters are angrier than he is. Outside the Birch Run event, they clashed with Mexican-American protesters. Outside a rally in Phoenix, Arizona, in July, his supporters also engaged in shouting matches with Hispanic protesters. One attendee walked by a protester as I was interviewing him and taunted him by shouting, “Vamos por Mexico.” Outside the convention center in Phoenix, Trump supporters even fought each other, jostling over a place in line until security staff broke up the scuffle. Trump, meanwhile, appears to be having the time of his life, talking up his own bona fides and ripping other politicians and celebrities to captive audiences. At the Phoenix rally, the first of the summer to put Trump in front of thousands of cheering supporters, he looked out at the crowd and declared, “This is absolutely unbelievable,” before riffing for over an hour in a hybrid stump speech and stand-up comedy routine. The Sanders rally in Reno, Nevada, on Tuesday was an outdoor affair on the quad of a local college campus. It felt like a summer barbecue. Sanders is angrier than his supporters. When the Vermont senator, hoarse of voice, bellowed out for a “political revolution,” the crowd cheered. But minutes before they had milled about amiably on the lawn. A game of Frisbee seemed more likely to break out than a revolution. At Sanders’ campaign kickoff in May in Burlington, Vermont, 5,000 supporters snacked on free Ben & Jerry’s ice cream. Should it arrive, the revolution will be mellow. Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-2016-rallies-121637.html#ixzz3jfkzitXa
IDBillzFan Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Dear Fans of Free College.... Exhibit A. Billions in Pell Grants go to poor students...who don't graduate. Gee. It's like they a free education has no value to them or something. Weird, right? I mean, who would've predicted that? But an analysis published Monday by Hechinger revealed that Pell recipient graduation rates are often considerably lower than the overall graduation rate — even six years after a student starts college. To make matters worse, the government keeps no official tally of what proportion of those who receive the grants end up getting degrees — despite the fact that money spent on Pell grants has quadrupled since 2000.
unbillievable Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 If College were "free", I would go back to school: 1)to make use of the taxes i'm being forced to contribute... 2)experience what it would be like to not care about grades... 3)meet college girls....
Alaska Darin Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Is it a bad idea? If so, why? Because it's unsustainable as we already know from how college is paid for now. Getting government deeply involved in higher education has driven up the cost at a rate that's significantly higher than inflation and the product that's being turned out is worse than it was before. Sanders is a typical liberal. He doesn't understand that the policies that he's supported are the reason everything costs so much. His only "solution" is to try to find someone else to pay for it, which is just kicking the can down the road. It's still a model that's far too expensive to maintain and will eventually collapse. The only real question is how much of the rest of the economy does it take with it.
FireChan Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 "Free college." Pull out and nuke this topic from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Dear Fans of Free College.... Exhibit A. Billions in Pell Grants go to poor students...who don't graduate. Gee. It's like they a free education has no value to them or something. Weird, right? I mean, who would've predicted that? Some state schools in Florida are finally making attendance mandatory if you receive financial aid. Unbelievable that it wasn't already.
Who is Yuri? Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Bernie's got some gracious support from Ben Carson, in Carson's USAToday op-ed. Good points, imo. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/24/blacklivesmatter-sanders-clinton-anger-column/32055507/
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