Do We Have Any Bernie Sanders Supporters Among Us?

[KD in CA]

Tying your startup to federal funds should be a non-starter for any smart business person because the embarrassingly ridiculous amount of paperwork required just to get their attention is enough to make a thinking person realize that if the feds inefficiencies don't screw you, their lack of accountability will. Why in the world would you put everything you have on the line in hopes OUR federal government will be looking out for you? That's not blind faith. It's blind stupidity.

 

Just selling the Federal Gov't something is an incredibly exhaustive experience. I can't begin to imagine what would be involved in applying for and reporting on a venture loan/grant.

[OCinBuffalo]

Also, you're a silly mother!@#$er to want one. Even if you do, that's not eligible.

1. This is PPP. Are you just catching on that it's: silly?

2. Ergo, of course it's silly to want a catchphrase, but it's also, PPP-esque.

3. I am the first one to write it here, and I highly doubt you ever read those 2 words in combination before. It's eligible all day.

4. I own it. Find your own.

[TakeYouToTasker]

1. This is PPP. Are you just catching on that it's: silly?

2. Ergo, of course it's silly to want a catchphrase, but it's also, PPP-esque.

3. I am the first one to write it here, and I highly doubt you ever read those 2 words in combination before. It's eligible all day.

4. I own it. Find your own.

1. It's common vernacular

2. First usage on these boards was by rockpile

3. Stop acting like an unmitigated moron.

Edited August 3, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker

[Who is Yuri?]

What I like about Bernie, is that he could call himself a Democrat. He could call himself a Libertarian. He could call himself an Eisenhower Republican. But he's not afraid of the Socialist label, because he's not a coward.

 

Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, TAMF, SNAP, etc. That's Socialism. We live with that every day. That's been Socialism since FDR, maybe longer. We know it, we sense it, he says it - and critics say COMMUNIST! These critics are Socialists themselves but cowards. These critics are ashamed of their Socialist pasts. Their Conservative ideal, the 50's, was Socialist. Socialist, you cowards, not Communist, Socialist!

 

Now let's embrace this thing, and do prudent, smart, powerful, beneficial Socialism like the Greatest Nation on the Planet. We've been doing it like fags in the closet, even though,

 

WE ARE SOCIALISTS, AND PROUD!

[Who is Yuri?]

I forgot to say, He could call himself an Unmitigated Moron! (how could I miss that sweet setup, dammit)

[unbillievable]

If Sanders gets elected, i'm buying my first gun.

[....lybob]

If Sanders gets elected, i'm buying my first gun.

Electing Bernie Sanders will immediately stimulate the economy!

[Rob's House]

What I like about Bernie, is that he could call himself a Democrat. He could call himself a Libertarian. He could call himself an Eisenhower Republican. But he's not afraid of the Socialist label, because he's not a coward.

 

Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, TAMF, SNAP, etc. That's Socialism. We live with that every day. That's been Socialism since FDR, maybe longer. We know it, we sense it, he says it - and critics say COMMUNIST! These critics are Socialists themselves but cowards. These critics are ashamed of their Socialist pasts. Their Conservative ideal, the 50's, was Socialist. Socialist, you cowards, not Communist, Socialist!

 

Now let's embrace this thing, and do prudent, smart, powerful, beneficial Socialism like the Greatest Nation on the Planet. We've been doing it like fags in the closet, even though,

 

WE ARE SOCIALISTS, AND PROUD!

And all those things have weighed down the economic horse to the point where it's back is now starting to sag, and your solution to get the horse moving again is to dump more straw on its back.

[keepthefaith]

Electing Bernie Sanders will immediately stimulate the economy!

Yes, companies that move people internationally will be a huge surge in business.

[Mikie2times]

I'm with Bernie. I make a little less than double the median income for my area. Which isn't a wealthy area, nor am I. Functional and above water, yes. About 47,000 in debt on student loans. I don't want a hand out or student loan forgiveness. I want Citizens United overturned. I want that overturned probably more than any other wish I have regarding politics I would like to see more Wall Street regulation, roll it back pre Greenspan. Less involvement by the Federal Bank (don't know if I will get this out of Bernie especially in these times). I also want student loan reform, I feel the whole program is designed to do nothing as far as maintaining or reducing tuition rates.

 

I don't feel any of the peoples interests matter anymore. We have an election, Republicans believe in this, Democrats that, both nominees run campaigns on the principles that represent the party. A bunch of back and forth ensues among voters. Neither party will ever honor what they run on. They can',t they owe too many favors to too many people and if they didn't they wouldn't win. I don't agree with everything Bernie stands for. I'm actually a capitalistic person, monetarily conservative. Unfortunately actual capitalism is dead in this country and it doesn't matter if your liberal or conservative, both sides have played spin the needle with interest rates and as a result I expect we will probably see the worst economic event since the great depression. At least Bernie discusses the madness. Nobody else will and if nobody changes these things our political system and these conversations will never matter again.

Edited August 17, 2015 by KzooMike

[TakeYouToTasker]

Why do you deserve relief from debt you agreed to incur?

 

Why should I be restricted from spending money I've earned on things I believe in?

 

How does the nationalization of markets result in prosperity?

Edited August 17, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker

[Who is Yuri?]

And all those things have weighed down the economic horse to the point where it's back is now starting to sag, and your solution to get the horse moving again is to dump more straw on its back.

 

I'll tell you what would lighten the load on the horse we call America. It's not TAMF, SNAP, Mecidare, and Medicaid. Those are the things she was designed to carry. It's military spending, for one. I get the impression that some of the same voices that call for cutting food stamps, these same voices call for bombing Iran with their next breath. These armchair Alexanders don't realize the burden that American belligerence puts on the American taxpayer. These mini-Napoleons are marching us well beyond our line of supply, because they are glory hunters. The soldier suffers while these impractical and unreasonable blowhards keep pursuing their delusions of grandeur. We need a man of great courage and sound reason to get us out of this mess. We need Bernie Sanders to lighten the load on this Horse called America, and turn her full power towards the job she was designed for.

 

Eisenhower spoke, and it seems only Bernie Sanders was listening. Bernie Sanders doesn't think of world domination, over-reaching, only to fail, and get mad at the left-behinds. Trying to dominate anything is over-reaching. Slow and steady and persistent has always been the best course for this Horse we call America. Take care of that Horse. She's a good one.

[Mikie2times]

Why do you deserve relief from debt you agreed to incur?

 

Why should I be restricted from spending money I've earned on things I believe in?

 

How does the nationalization of markets result in prosperity?

I don't deserve relief from debt I've incurred, I would like future generations to have better options. I prefer just to get the fed out of it completely as competition would lower cost, but since every loan is backed by the fed, it doesn't exactly take cut throat underwriting to get approved for large student loans, so schools have zero reason to maintain stable prices. Unfortunately Bernie wants the government even more involved in it. Still, his plan would allow for people to not be hamstrung by the this type of debt when they start life if they wish to seek out a higher education.

 

You are a person, a corporation is not a person. Democracy is based on public funded elections. The concept of each persons voice represented to the fullest extent and equally heard. Limitation on campaign donations should be in place and only individual people/not corporations should be allowed to contribute. If that's not in place elections are not equal or based on the voice of the people. They become based on the voice of the people who have the most money. That is not a democracy.

 

How many bubbles have we seen since Reagan/Greenspan economics? Tech, housing, and coming soon, a living hell....Ya, the stock market should be reaching all time highs. That's logical in an economy with no measurable growth. Maybe they just don't give a crap backed up by 0% interest rates for 7-8 years and knowing exactly what will happen when the next bubble hits. Too big to fail bailout. Wall Street does not fear risk. Glass-Steagall existed for a really smart reason. Unfortunately not smart enough to overcome the potential to make big money fast even if that put the entire global economy at risk.

Edited August 17, 2015 by KzooMike

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

I'll tell you what would lighten the load on the horse we call America. It's not TAMF, SNAP, Mecidare, and Medicaid. Those are the things she was designed to carry. It's military spending, for one. I get the impression that some of the same voices that call for cutting food stamps, these same voices call for bombing Iran with their next breath. These armchair Alexanders don't realize the burden that American belligerence puts on the American taxpayer. These mini-Napoleons are marching us well beyond our line of supply, because they are glory hunters. The soldier suffers while these impractical and unreasonable blowhards keep pursuing their delusions of grandeur. We need a man of great courage and sound reason to get us out of this mess. We need Bernie Sanders to lighten the load on this Horse called America, and turn her full power towards the job she was designed for.

 

Eisenhower spoke, and it seems only Bernie Sanders was listening. Bernie Sanders doesn't think of world domination, over-reaching, only to fail, and get mad at the left-behinds. Trying to dominate anything is over-reaching. Slow and steady and persistent has always been the best course for this Horse we call America. Take care of that Horse. She's a good one.

 

Only you'd be wrong. I want ALL government spending cut waaaaaaaay back. As in so far back that we're constitutionally limited to a balanced budget. And yes, that includes the military.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

I'll tell you what would lighten the load on the horse we call America. It's not TAMF, SNAP, Mecidare, and Medicaid. Those are the things she was designed to carry. It's military spending, for one. I get the impression that some of the same voices that call for cutting food stamps, these same voices call for bombing Iran with their next breath. These armchair Alexanders don't realize the burden that American belligerence puts on the American taxpayer. These mini-Napoleons are marching us well beyond our line of supply, because they are glory hunters. The soldier suffers while these impractical and unreasonable blowhards keep pursuing their delusions of grandeur. We need a man of great courage and sound reason to get us out of this mess. We need Bernie Sanders to lighten the load on this Horse called America, and turn her full power towards the job she was designed for.

 

Eisenhower spoke, and it seems only Bernie Sanders was listening. Bernie Sanders doesn't think of world domination, over-reaching, only to fail, and get mad at the left-behinds. Trying to dominate anything is over-reaching. Slow and steady and persistent has always been the best course for this Horse we call America. Take care of that Horse. She's a good one.

Your argument is that America was designed as a welfare state?

[GG]

I don't deserve relief from debt I've incurred, I would like future generations to have better options. I prefer just to get the fed out of it completely as competition would lower cost, but since every loan is backed by the fed, it doesn't exactly take cut throat underwriting to get approved for large student loans, so schools have zero reason to maintain stable prices. Unfortunately Bernie wants the government even more involved in it. Still, his plan would allow for people to not be hamstrung by the this type of debt when they start life if they wish to seek out a higher education.

 

You are a person, a corporation is not a person. Democracy is based on public funded elections. The concept of each persons voice represented to the fullest extent and equally heard. Limitation on campaign donations should be in place and only individual people/not corporations should be allowed to contribute.

 

So you're saying that a rich individual should have a greater voice than a poor individual?

[Who is Yuri?]

Your argument is that America was designed as a welfare state?

Tax funded public schooling predates the Revolution. Public schooling is a slippery slope towards welfare, and "welfare" is a loose term. Also, it's a good thing that original design gets re-designed. Things evolve. I think we'd agree that caution should be used in any instance of government intervention.

[TakeYouToTasker]

Tax funded public schooling predates the Revolution. Public schooling is a slippery slope towards welfare, and "welfare" is a loose term. Also, it's a good thing that original design gets re-designed. Things evolve. I think we'd agree that caution should be used in any instance of government intervention.

There were no federal, state, or local income taxes at the time, nor were there federal mandates for public school. Public schooling is not, in any way, a slippery slope towards welfare, nor is "welfare" a loose term in the way it is being applied here.

 

And as much as things do evolve, not all change is for the better. But that wasn't your argument regardless. You argued that America was built for the purposes of supporting a massive welfare state, which is nonsense. You also made a Carteresque appeal to the better nature of the world, claiming that America, and the world, are better off without America taking the leading role on the geopolitical scene, which is also nonsense.

 

Finally, your support of a candidate, a self-professed socialist, who seeks to nationalize markets is hardly advocating for "caution to be used in any instance of government intervention".

[Who is Yuri?]

There were no federal, state, or local income taxes at the time, nor were there federal mandates for public school. Public schooling is not, in any way, a slippery slope towards welfare, nor is "welfare" a loose term in the way it is being applied here.

 

And as much as things do evolve, not all change is for the better. But that wasn't your argument regardless. You argued that America was built for the purposes of supporting a massive welfare state, which is nonsense. You also made a Carteresque appeal to the better nature of the world, claiming that America, and the world, are better off without America taking the leading role on the geopolitical scene, which is also nonsense.

 

Finally, your support of a candidate, a self-professed socialist, who seeks to nationalize markets is hardly advocating for "caution to be used in any instance of government intervention".

Local taxes were collected for the first public schools in the Colonies. When a community starts worrying about the collective well-being, individuals become inclined to sacrifice individual rights (income, in the vernacular of this conversation) for the betterment of the collective. When you think about it, I didn't print the money that constitutes my income, nor did I set up the system, nor did I insure it, nor did I just give it to myself. There is a great degree of interdependence involved that works to get the money to me. I don't get to decide the value of my own work and worth - the market decides.

 

Federal taxes have been collected since George Washington's Presidency - The Whiskey Tax. Whatever you think the Founding Fathers thought about taxes, doesn't jive with practice. In my opinion, Promoting individual rights over the collective well-being only causes disharmony, even on the interpersonal level, nevermind state vs. state. And there are bound to be rogue states and bully states in the absence of a strong central government. I believe that we have already tried the decentralized system of government that you are advocating, and it could have only continued to have been imposed at the point of a gun. The Confederacy is case in point, but it had been tried, and failed.

 

Each state would have its own immigration policy, customs, trade agreements. That's many massive bureaucracies that would be created, while losing the current efficiencies of scale that come with a strong central government. I just think that emphasizing individual rights is divisive. We'd be stepping on each others toes, and things could escalate quickly. United we stand; divided we fall.

 

Your ideas are kind of zany, though, and for that, I am grateful. Is it alright if I call you The Anarchist?

 

edit: minor grammatical

Edited August 17, 2015 by Franz Kafka

[Rob's House]

 

I'll tell you what would lighten the load on the horse we call America. It's not TAMF, SNAP, Mecidare, and Medicaid. Those are the things she was designed to carry. It's military spending, for one. I get the impression that some of the same voices that call for cutting food stamps, these same voices call for bombing Iran with their next breath. These armchair Alexanders don't realize the burden that American belligerence puts on the American taxpayer. These mini-Napoleons are marching us well beyond our line of supply, because they are glory hunters. The soldier suffers while these impractical and unreasonable blowhards keep pursuing their delusions of grandeur. We need a man of great courage and sound reason to get us out of this mess. We need Bernie Sanders to lighten the load on this Horse called America, and turn her full power towards the job she was designed for.

 

Eisenhower spoke, and it seems only Bernie Sanders was listening. Bernie Sanders doesn't think of world domination, over-reaching, only to fail, and get mad at the left-behinds. Trying to dominate anything is over-reaching. Slow and steady and persistent has always been the best course for this Horse we call America. Take care of that Horse. She's a good one.

The "just cut defense" panacea is faulty on its face. Defense spending accounts for roughly 20% of the federal budget. Entitlement spending accounts for roughly 2/3 and growing. There's not enough defense spending to cut to afford this ever expanding government. It's like trying to fund a Ferrari by foregoing your morning latte. The math just doesn't work. Edited August 18, 2015 by Rob's House