Do We Have Any Bernie Sanders Supporters Among Us?

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115 pages worth of Bernie Sanders kind of indicates there was some level of support for him on TSW/PPP. Yet the 2016 Post Convention poll shows a grand total of zero votes for Jill Stein at this moment.

 

[....lybob]

115 pages worth of Bernie Sanders kind of indicates there was some level of support for him on TSW/PPP. Yet the 2016 Post Convention poll shows a grand total of zero votes for Jill Stein at this moment.

 

Well there appears to be only 5 libs here compared to 28 conservatives 16 of which are voting Trump- If you want to stop Trump it's hard to give up a vote on someone who's never held a major office. Bernie was a long long shot Jill Stein is a no shot.

[B-Man]

A SHAM PRIMARY: Breaking: DNC Chief Donna Brazile Leaked Sanders Info to Clinton Campaign.

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A SHAM PRIMARY: Breaking: DNC Chief Donna Brazile Leaked Sanders Info to Clinton Campaign.

 

I'm sure George Stephanopolous will cover this in depth on This Week and the journalists at CNN will investigate further

 

[Prickly Pete]

I wasn't a supporter before, but if he were still in the race, I would vote for him. It would be such a different situation with him in the mix.

[Magox]

I wasn't a supporter before, but if he were still in the race, I would vote for him. It would be such a different situation with him in the mix.

 

 

That's odd, because you've made it abundantly clear that you worry about Muslims instilling Sharia Law here in the US and that all Mexicans resent Americans and feel entitled to all benefits that we are privy to.

 

That is a very unBerny like position you hold there. He believes in open borders and would scoff at your fear of Muslims and Sharia Law here in the US

Edited October 10, 2016 by Magox

[Azalin]

 

 

That is a very unBerny like position you hold there. He believes in open borders and would scoff at your fear of Muslims and Sharia Law here in the US

 

 

Not to mention that he's a freakin' socialist.

[Prickly Pete]

 

 

That's odd, because you've made it abundantly clear that you worry about Muslims instilling Sharia Law here in the US and that all Mexicans resent Americans and feel entitled to all benefits that we are privy to.

 

That is a very unBerny like position you hold there. He believes in open borders and would scoff at your fear of Muslims and Sharia Law here in the US

 

 

Where did you get the idea that Sanders was pro open borders. How about knowing WTF you are talking about, before posting a challenge?

 

https://berniesanders.com/open-borders-a-gimmick-not-a-solution/

 

 

https://mises.org/library/bernie-koch-brothers-and-open-borders

 

My main problem with Sanders was that it felt like he was just offering giveaways, without having any way to actually pay for it all.

 

I don't think Sanders would have called for amnesty, and a huge influx of Muslims, like Hillary. I'm not worried about Sharia Law any time soon, but if there was a massive influx, in a couple generations, there would definitely be big problems.

 

But of course, I'm just some raging racist for recognizing that there is clearly a huge culture clash happening in Europe, and that it's driving people to support far-right parties.

 

I stand by my assertion that the reason so many Latinos support immigration, is because they want to benefit themselves. And that basically, they all believe that this country was taken from them. I live in LA, I have no idea where you live, but unless it's in Southern California, I doubt you have a truer perspective than I do.

 

If there was say, a massive nuclear meltdown, or some other disaster, and there were millions of Swedes (the REAL Swedes) that needed to migrate, I'm certain that support for their immigration would not come from Latinos, or Blacks. Suddenly, it would be "racist" to support immigration.

 

You only attack other people, yet when I ask for your positions, you flee.

Edited October 10, 2016 by HoF Watkins

[Magox]

 

https://berniesanders.com/open-borders-a-gimmick-not-a-solution/

 

And I don't think Sanders would have called for amnesty, and a huge influx of Muslims, like Hillary. I'm not worried about Sharia Law any time soon, but if there was a massive influx, in a couple generations, there would definitely be big problems.

 

But of course, I'm just some raging racist for recognizing that there is clearly a huge culture clash happening in Europe, and that it's driving people to support far-right parties.

 

And I stand by my assertion that the reason so many Latinos support immigration, is because they want more people of color, to benefit themselves. And that basically they all believe that this country was taken from them. I live in LA, I have no idea where you live, but unless it's in Southern California, I doubt you have a truer perspective than I do.

 

If there was say, a massive nuclear meltdown, or some other disaster, and there were millions of Swedes (the REAL Swedes), that needed to migrate, I'm certain that support for their immigration would not come from Latinos, or Blacks. Suddenly, it would be "racist" to support immigration.

 

You only attack other people, yet when I ask for your positions, you flee.

 

 

Well, considering that I'm 50% Latino who use to live in South America and now currently resides in Miami, I think I have a pretty good perspective of what Latino's want, and it ain't what you are saying. They are just like any other people you'll meet, they want employment, they want to provide for their families, they want a few luxuries in life to make life more palatable and they want to leave their kids a better life than they had. The only thing that is different between you and them is culture.

 

 

I support immigration laws. I believe that people who come to this country should have to go through the immigration process to become legalized. What I do not agree with is immigrants that have been here for a while, I don't believe in shipping them back home. I don't believe that the tone and disparaging remarks that much of the GOP base towards Latino's are acceptable. Which is too bad, because with the right inclusive tone, with a reasonable immigration stance, such as something similar that they had tried to pass in the Senate, the GOP could be winning 40% + of the Latino vote.

 

The only real thing that I didn't agree with what they tried to pass was the citizenship element of it. Legalization, yes, citizenship, no. But the Republican base was never going to allow any sort of legalization whatsoever. Hence the challenging electoral map.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Magox

[Prickly Pete]

 

 

Well, considering that I'm 50% Latino who use to live in South America and now currently resides in Miami, I think I have a pretty good perspective of what Latino's want, and it ain't what you are saying. They are just like any other people you'll meet, they want employment, they want to provide for their families, they want a few luxuries in life to make life more palatable and they want to leave their kids a better life than they had. The only thing that is different between you and them is culture.

 

 

I support immigration laws. I believe that people who come to this country should have to go through the immigration process to become legalized. What I do not agree with is immigrants that have been here for a while, I don't believe in shipping them back home. I don't believe that the tone and disparaging remarks that much of the GOP base towards Latino's are acceptable. Which is too bad, because with the right inclusive tone, with a reasonable immigration stance, such as something similar that they had tried to pass in the Senate, the GOP could be winning 40% + of the Latino vote.

 

The only real thing that I didn't agree with what they tried to pass was the citizenship element of it. Legalization, yes, citizenship, no. But the Republican base was never going to allow any sort of legalization whatsoever. Hence the challenging electoral map.

 

You are too close be objective...you are Latino. You would benefit from having more Latinos here.

 

I am fine with people that have been here for a long time, staying. People arrested for violent crime? OUT. Tighten the border? YES

 

I don't believe that Trump would try to deport people that are established in this country, I think he is trying to establish a starting point for negotiating (just like the car salesman he is, at heart). And even if he did try, it would never pass. There won't be jackbooted Deportation Squads, knocking down doors to pull apart families, etc.

 

I should say that I consider the treatment of migrant farm workers akin to slavery in many cases, and am completely in favor of changing that situation.

 

As I mentioned, my wife and 3 kids, and her family...all Latino. My social group is 3/4 Latino, I have no problem with Latinos, and consider them to be....PEOPLE! I am always astonished when I hear them make some kind of distinction about "white people", because they act just like the white folks I grew up around, yet they somehow think there is a big difference. And vice-versa, when I'm in Buffalo.

Edited October 11, 2016 by HoF Watkins

[Chef Jim]

 

You are too close be objective...you are Latino. You would benefit from having more Latinos here.

 

 

 

 

So how would he benefit? More people to habla behind the gringo's back with? More people to eat tacos with? More people to exchange sombreros with? More people to help him mow his law? Please how would this pinche culero benefit? Us inquiring minds need to know.

[GG]

 

 

So how would he benefit? More people to habla behind the gringo's back with? More people to eat tacos with? More people to exchange sombreros with? More people to help him mow his law? Please how would this pinche culero benefit? Us inquiring minds need to know.

Maybe he's the judge presiding over the Trump University lawsuit?

[Prickly Pete]

Increased political power for Latinos, firstly.

 

Identity politics is determining policies.

 

It's like asking "how would a Muslim benefit by having more Muslims in the US?"....I'm sure virtually every Muslim would say "yes, it would benefit me and my people!

 

Or is that crazy talk?

 

 

 

Latinos (all "people of color") pretty much vote Democrat, and that party has turned into "the anti-straight white male party".

 

 

Why would immigration be important to Magox, if he didn't expect to benefit in some way?

Edited October 11, 2016 by HoF Watkins

[GG]

Increased political power for Latinos, firstly.

 

Identity politics is determining policies.

 

Latinos (all "people of color") pretty much vote Democrat, and that party has turned into "the anti-straight white male party".

 

 

Why would Magox care about immigration, if he didn't expect to benefit in some way?

 

Say what?

 

Latinos predominantly vote Democrat, because GOP leadership can't help itself but insult their intelligence like your posts. Even though most Latinos' personal and family values are more aligned with the GOP core. It's really a very stupid campaign tactic that's alienated a huge voting block.

[Chef Jim]

Increased political power for Latinos, firstly.

 

Identity politics is determining policies.

 

It's like asking "how would a Muslim benefit by having more Muslims in the US?"....I'm sure virtually every Muslim would say "yes, it would benefit me and my people!

 

Or is that crazy talk?

 

 

 

Latinos (all "people of color") pretty much vote Democrat, and that party has turned into "the anti-straight white male party".

 

 

Why would immigration be important to Magox, if he didn't expect to benefit in some way?

 

So what policies would directly benefit Latinos over say blacks?

 

Taco Tuesday? Sombrero Sunday?

[Prickly Pete]

 

So what policies would directly benefit Latinos over say blacks?

 

Taco Tuesday? Sombrero Sunday?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Somehow I find it hard to believe that the benefits of increased numbers of a minority racial/cultural group to it's members, need to be explained.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Say what?

 

Latinos predominantly vote Democrat, because GOP leadership can't help itself but insult their intelligence like your posts. Even though most Latinos' personal and family values are more aligned with the GOP core. It's really a very stupid campaign tactic that's alienated a huge voting block.

 

Aside from the Catholic angle (abortion, in particular), Latinos vote Democrat because that party supports immigration, social services, and affirmative action. Or maybe that's more crazy talk.

Edited October 11, 2016 by HoF Watkins

[Prickly Pete]

No one actually wants to dispute my claim that most Mexicans feel this country was taken from them.

 

Surely one of you that disputes my broad claim can come up with a better estimate of Mexicans that feel that way?

 

 

I really want to know what YOUR estimate is, cuz that attitude is inarguably one taken by some percentage of the population.

Edited October 11, 2016 by HoF Watkins

[Chef Jim]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Somehow I find it hard to believe that the benefits of increased numbers of a minority racial/cultural group to it's members, need to be explained.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aside from the Catholic angle (abortion, in particular), Latinos vote Democrat because that party supports immigration, social services, and affirmative action. Or maybe that's more crazy talk.

Shouldn't policy be created to benefit all Americans not just a specific group?

 

And abortion is the only conservative issue that hispanics agree with? For someone who hangs with hispanics doesn't seem know much about them.

[GG]

No one actually wants to dispute my claim that most Mexicans feel this country was taken from them.

 

Surely one of you that disputes my broad claim can come up with a better estimate of Mexicans that feel that way?

 

 

I really want to know what YOUR estimate is, cuz that attitude is inarguably one taken by some percentage of the population.

Well, thinking that all Hispanics are Mexican it's a good tell.

[Magox]

 

You are too close be objective...you are Latino. You would benefit from having more Latinos here.

 

I am fine with people that have been here for a long time, staying. People arrested for violent crime? OUT. Tighten the border? YES

 

I don't believe that Trump would try to deport people that are established in this country, I think he is trying to establish a starting point for negotiating (just like the car salesman he is, at heart). And even if he did try, it would never pass. There won't be jackbooted Deportation Squads, knocking down doors to pull apart families, etc.

 

I should say that I consider the treatment of migrant farm workers akin to slavery in many cases, and am completely in favor of changing that situation.

 

As I mentioned, my wife and 3 kids, and her family...all Latino. My social group is 3/4 Latino, I have no problem with Latinos, and consider them to be....PEOPLE! I am always astonished when I hear them make some kind of distinction about "white people", because they act just like the white folks I grew up around, yet they somehow think there is a big difference. And vice-versa, when I'm in Buffalo.

 

You're an idiot