Do We Have Any Bernie Sanders Supporters Among Us?

[Magox]

Automation means less need for human capital which = more profits for corporations which = Bernie Sanders poo pooing on corporations and those greedy 1%er's on a future stump speech near you

[Chef Jim]

gg stated that businesses were turning more to automation. He said it almost as a bad thing, as is they were doing it because of some Obama regulation, but what that means is that businesses are becoming more efficient. Which is a good thing. So in criticizing the prez he should have been applauding him.

 

So how does this automation play in to your idea regarding immigration that the more the merrier? You do realize most of the immigration coming in to this country is unskilled non-professional labor from the southern border?

[Tiberius]

Automation means less need for human capital which = more profits for corporations which = Bernie Sanders poo pooing on corporations and those greedy 1%er's on a future stump speech near you

You really believe that? We have been eliminating jobs since the industrial revolution started

[Magox]

You really believe that? We have been eliminating jobs since the industrial revolution started

I'm not blaming anyone for automation, just stating a fact.

[IDBillzFan]

Automation means less need for human capital which = more profits for corporations which = Bernie Sanders poo pooing on corporations and those greedy 1%er's on a future stump speech near you

 

Bernie lauded California and NY moving to $15/hour and literally has absolutely, positively no clue the effect this is going to have long term.

 

But then again, SoProg politicians have only ever been good at two things: raising taxes that negatively affect the income of the working class, and then complaining about all the private companies taking advantage of the working class.

 

Look at the SoProg field: Hillary, Biden, Sanders, Obama, Reid, Pelosi...old, rich, angry white and half-white people who have, collectively, never, ever worked a real job in their entire lives.

 

But hey...they care about the little people, amirite?

[GG]

And you have some data on this or is it just common knowledge?

 

I do, but then I'd have to kill you

 

It's easy. Take a look at the relationships between revenue growth, operating income growth, EBITDA growth & net income growth over the last decade. That should be telling of where the profits have come from.

 

Bernie lauded California and NY moving to $15/hour and literally has absolutely, positively no clue the effect this is going to have long term.

 

But then again, SoProg politicians have only ever been good at two things: raising taxes that negatively affect the income of the working class, and then complaining about all the private companies taking advantage of the working class.

 

Look at the SoProg field: Hillary, Biden, Sanders, Obama, Reid, Pelosi...old, rich, angry white and half-white people who have, collectively, never, ever worked a real job in their entire lives.

 

But hey...they care about the little people, amirite?

 

Bernie is a Trotskyite putz.

[/dev/null]

So did the Catholic Communist invite the Jewish Communist to the Vatican or did the Jewish Communist invite himself to the Vatican?

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[Dr.Sack]

 

So what you are saying is, you want an activist government?

Yes. If I could cherry pick I want Trump's negotiating skills, Sanders truthfulness, & Cruz's blow up the Fed, outside the beltway populism. Washington & corporate America are broken a revolution is coming. Too many people are falling behind. Occupy, The Tea Party, and the rise of Cruz, Trump & Sanders are all answers to our government's paralysis to get anything done that's helps average Americans.

[Azalin]

Occupy, The Tea Party, and the rise of Cruz, Trump & Sanders are all answers to our government's paralysis to get anything done that's helps average Americans.

 

No, they're not answers to anything. What they (especially Sanders and Trump) are is a manifestation of peoples' frustration. The last thing this country needs to do is to embrace nationalism or socialism, especially by jumping aboard the Trump or Sanders bandwagons.

[Dr.Sack]

 

No, they're not answers to anything. What they (especially Sanders and Trump) are is a manifestation of peoples' frustration. The last thing this country needs to do is to embrace nationalism or socialism, especially by jumping aboard the Trump or Sanders bandwagons.

You must be doing quite well and are content with the current system. I was attracted to Cruz but even I must admit that blowing up the Fed, blowing up the IRS, and replacing it with a flat tax seems a bit naive and I'm just not that cavalier. I do believe in some form of regulation over the financial sector and that's why I've gravitated towards Sanders who sounds more like Eisenhower imo.

 

Trump is a skillful negotiator, and has built many successful companies. He's also a master of media manipulation and has played the lame stream media for over $2 billion in free advertising. Yet is it all a charade? Does a member of the plutocracy really want to bring the hammer down on a governmental system that has been so beneficial to him and his family?

 

So then I go back to Cruz. I like him, and love his religious belief. He is a man of principal and clearly is the most religious of the three. My question though is with all the talk and rhetoric what evidence do I have in that he will get a anything done that will benefit me? Here is a guy who's own wife was a Goldman Sachs executive. And Goldman Sachs is nicknamed Government Sachs for a reason. With the ties to The US Treasury & the Federal Reserve how much of an outsider is Cruz, really?

 

So I'm back looking at Sanders. I hate his foreign policy. Here is a guy who is short on base closures. Trump has supported closing them, I like that. Sanders is also weak on the border, Trump promises to build a wall that Mexico will pay for. Trumps financing is a bit sketchy but makes sense a tax on Mexican imports used to pay for it.

 

Where I agree with Sanders is on 4 key issues; opposition to foreign wars of regime change, breaking up too big to fail banks via Dodd-Frank & US Treasury regulatory capabilities, Healthcare we do outspend every other major country on earth per capita and don't guarantee to everyone, I've been a victim of a few plant closures the past 20 years and know what it's like to have no healthcare. Last college, as someone who has gone back to school in his 50s and taken on loans to finance I find it a bit odd that you need school to survive so why is it not payed for by the very businesses who will benefit from my training to do the jobs of the 21st century?

 

I've voted Republican in every election since Reagan in 1980. I'm born in 1960 (Go Bills) so I've been a life-long independent who always voted Republican with the exception of Ross Perot in 1992. Didn't make that mistake in 1996. I think the Republican Party has lost there way and running guys like Romney, and Bush W have hurt our credibility with younger voters.

 

Mark my words the establishment hates both Cruz & Trump and that's why I like them. But Cruz is too unproven and Trump is moving to the center and really has changed his position too many times for me to trust him. Sanders is an old FDR Democrat, who aligns with the Southern Democrats pre-Nixon's southern strategy. I mean Sanders didn't even try to win the south. He is winning because of the white vote. He gets no support from the base of the Democratic Party and is somehow toe to toe vs the Clinton machine. I love it! Sanders might look like the grandfather who didn't get his pudding but he's a damn man of his word. He's been saying the same crap for the past 50 years. So I say screw it, let's get behind someone who can beat Clinton and possibly not start WWIII.

[Magox]

Neither Cruz or Sanders would ever be able to get any of the significant things they propose through Congress. This doing away with the Federal Reserve, IRS, Medicare-for-all, free-education-for-all and "breaking up the big banks" is a pipe dream.

 

Simply put, most people just don't understand the separation of powers

Edited April 9, 2016 by Magox

[ALF]

My sons attend UB and the students there are very , very for Sanders. He can't beat Clinton but the message they send is against politicians . Same for Trump, protest against the establishment

[meazza]

 

Simply put, most people just don't understand the separation of powers

 

Fixed

[OCinBuffalo]

My sons attend UB and the students there are very , very for Sanders. He can't beat Clinton but the message they send is against politicians . Same for Trump, protest against the establishment

Awesome. I believe there was a time when liberals, especially college kids were very, very for McGovern and Mondale.

[boyst]

Who gets these free political adds? Only major parties? Political action committees? National interest groups? Private non-associated individuals seeking to promote their view point?

ads. not adds.

[Dr.Sack]

I see Trump as the great unifier. He is no fool as portrayed by the lame stream media. Assuming Sanders is defeated and Trump somehow makes it out of the convention I see Trump going populist to defeat Hillary. Trump's wall is the infrastructure project that Bernie people are attracted to. The compromise will be $15 minimum wage in exchange for the deportation of 12,000,000 illegals. There will be many more low wage jobs available. Cutting our military bases and rebuilding our nuclear arms would still serve as the same deterrent to foreign aggression. Trump is no fool he will take elements of the Tea Party and Sanders movement to create the people's coalition. Free public college is attainable with $80 billion per year. Millennials will jump at this. We spend $600 billion on defense, so some of the defense savings will pay for it. Additionally Sanders tax idea on Wall Street speculation fully finances it. Repealing Obamacare and replacing it with universal healthcare, something Trump has supported, could be the ticket he punches to the White House. Paid for by saving nearly $5 trillion we spend nationally over the next 10 years. Cutting taxes to 0% for manufacturers brings Apple and all the south of the border jobs back we lost with NAFTA. To win over women I see Trump running the ever beautiful Michelle Bachman as his VP, imagine that ticket. Trump does this and wins 60-65% of the vote.

Edited April 9, 2016 by Dr.Sack

[OCinBuffalo]

You must be doing quite well and are content with the current system. I was attracted to Cruz but even I must admit that blowing up the Fed, blowing up the IRS, and replacing it with a flat tax seems a bit naive and I'm just not that cavalier. I do believe in some form of regulation over the financial sector and that's why I've gravitated towards Sanders who sounds more like Eisenhower imo.

 

Trump is a skillful negotiator, and has built many successful companies. He's also a master of media manipulation and has played the lame stream media for over $2 billion in free advertising. Yet is it all a charade? Does a member of the plutocracy really want to bring the hammer down on a governmental system that has been so beneficial to him and his family?

 

So then I go back to Cruz. I like him, and love his religious belief. He is a man of principal and clearly is the most religious of the three. My question though is with all the talk and rhetoric what evidence do I have in that he will get a anything done that will benefit me? Here is a guy who's own wife was a Goldman Sachs executive. And Goldman Sachs is nicknamed Government Sachs for a reason. With the ties to The US Treasury & the Federal Reserve how much of an outsider is Cruz, really?

 

So I'm back looking at Sanders. I hate his foreign policy. Here is a guy who is short on base closures. Trump has supported closing them, I like that. Sanders is also weak on the border, Trump promises to build a wall that Mexico will pay for. Trumps financing is a bit sketchy but makes sense a tax on Mexican imports used to pay for it.

 

Where I agree with Sanders is on 4 key issues; opposition to foreign wars of regime change, breaking up too big to fail banks via Dodd-Frank & US Treasury regulatory capabilities, Healthcare we do outspend every other major country on earth per capita and don't guarantee to everyone, I've been a victim of a few plant closures the past 20 years and know what it's like to have no healthcare. Last college, as someone who has gone back to school in his 50s and taken on loans to finance I find it a bit odd that you need school to survive so why is it not payed for by the very businesses who will benefit from my training to do the jobs of the 21st century?

 

I've voted Republican in every election since Reagan in 1980. I'm born in 1960 (Go Bills) so I've been a life-long independent who always voted Republican with the exception of Ross Perot in 1992. Didn't make that mistake in 1996. I think the Republican Party has lost there way and running guys like Romney, and Bush W have hurt our credibility with younger voters.

 

Mark my words the establishment hates both Cruz & Trump and that's why I like them. But Cruz is too unproven and Trump is moving to the center and really has changed his position too many times for me to trust him. Sanders is an old FDR Democrat, who aligns with the Southern Democrats pre-Nixon's southern strategy. I mean Sanders didn't even try to win the south. He is winning because of the white vote. He gets no support from the base of the Democratic Party and is somehow toe to toe vs the Clinton machine. I love it! Sanders might look like the grandfather who didn't get his pudding but he's a damn man of his word. He's been saying the same crap for the past 50 years. So I say screw it, let's get behind someone who can beat Clinton and possibly not start WWIII.

EDIT: Jesus, how many times are you gonna completely wipe out what you posted and post something else?

 

Trump isn't going to have anything to do with the furtherance of Obamacare. It's a political albatross that has made the D party into the region-only party they claimed not supporting it would make the Rs. Look at the damage its done to everybody but Obama. That damage has yet to end. The same can be said for most of what Sanders proposes. Anything that looks like a loser, is a loser, and Trump's not gonna touch it.

 

Oh, and btw, that goes double for Clinton. Obamacare dies faster under her administration than anyone's. She won't tolerate dissent, because she's the POTUS. Any D that gets in her way will be excoriated. And the Rs are gonna go along. It's Clinton triangulation all over again. She's not gonna let it hang around and cause her to lose and her presidency to fail like Obama's has. I've been saying it for years:

 

The far left is fooling themselves with Clinton, as her 1 and only policy is "what's best for me".

 

Now, it seems they've woken up and realized that, which is why Bernie is still around. That, and they'd rather try running a socialist candidate...than admit all their pet policies from the last 20 years have now been tried, and have utterly failed.

Edited April 9, 2016 by OCinBuffalo

[Dr.Sack]

The Democrats the past 20 years have been trying to outflank the Republicans. It was Robert Rubin who devised the deregulation of Wall Street via the Glass-Steagall repeal. It was Clinton who passed the 1994 crime bill that expanded mass incaration and further decimated another generation of minorities disproportionately. Clinton even doubled down on this the other day when interrupted by a BLM protestor. Clinton also passed NAFTA and a balanced budget. Clinton's welfare reform created Welfare to work and massively expanded the large retailers lobby for millions of low wage workers. So in many ways Clinton while a Democrat was really a neoliberal. The Democrats continued their march to the right as they vastly supported the war in Iraq, more free trade deals, the Wall Street bailout, then Obama's expanded drone program, and regime change in Libya & Syria creating more instability in the Middle East. When you thought the Dems were coming back under Obama they passed the Heritage Foundation's newly adopted Romneycare known as the ACA. The Democrats have been stealing Republican ideas the past 20 years.

 

My problem is the Dems have moved so far right, the Republicans can only push back on issues that don't win. So that's why I support fringe candidates like Trump, Cruz & Sanders. Look it sounds crazy but you won't get needed change with Kasich & Hillary, they are the same pro-corporate crony capitalism, bought government that will continue to destroy our country.

Edited April 9, 2016 by Dr.Sack

[Magox]

I see Trump as the great unifier. He is no fool as portrayed by the lame stream media. Assuming Sanders is defeated and Trump somehow makes it out of the convention I see Trump going populist to defeat Hillary. Trump's wall is the infrastructure project that Bernie people are attracted to. The compromise will be $15 minimum wage in exchange for the deportation of 12,000,000 illegals. There will be many more low wage jobs available. Cutting our military bases and rebuilding our nuclear arms would still serve as the same deterrent to foreign aggression. Trump is no fool he will take elements of the Tea Party and Sanders movement to create the people's coalition. Free public college is attainable with $80 billion per year. Millennials will jump at this. We spend $600 billion on defense, so some of the defense savings will pay for it. Additionally Sanders tax idea on Wall Street speculation fully finances it. Repealing Obamacare and replacing it with universal healthcare, something Trump has supported, could be the ticket he punches to the White House. Paid for by saving nearly $5 trillion we spend nationally over the next 10 years. Cutting taxes to 0% for manufacturers brings Apple and all the south of the border jobs back we lost with NAFTA. To win over women I see Trump running the ever beautiful Michelle Bachman as his VP, imagine that ticket. Trump does this and wins 60-65% of the vote.

 

You're kinda nutty

[B-Man]

 

You're kinda nutty

 

 

What ?

 

You don't agree with him that the democrat party has been "marching to the right" for the past 20 years ?