Early 4 Way Presidential Poll

[DC Tom]

Yeah, it's so refreshing seeing a guy lie and offend the entire Latino community, just so that he can garner votes amongst the nativist community, it's so refreshing to see a guy denigrate a war hero, it's so refreshing to proudly proclaim to be a birther kook, it's so refreshing in all his egomaniacal might to boldly proclaim how he would be the greatest job creator God ever created without giving a single hint in how he'd do that, it's so refreshing to see a guy running to be the president of the greatest nation in the world get involved in these sophomoric fights with members of our political community and then proceed to give out their private phone number out of spite.

 

Yeah, he's dreamy.

 

It's refreshing to see a guy stand by his statements, rather than retract them in a wishy-washy fashion so as to appease the mob. It doesn't mean I'm going to vote for him, because he's shithouse-rat nuts. But it is refreshing.

 

(And McCain isn't a war hero. No disrespect to him...my disrespect is to Americans who overuse the word "hero.")

[Dorkington]

 

That's how it works in DC, too. The dumbass who wrecked my car (hit it while it was parked) was an illegal alien. The police not only refused to report him to INS, but refused to charge him (on four counts - lack of insurance, leaving the scene of an accident, speeding, and DWI) because "We don't want to ruin his life."

 

Uh, yeah. THAT'S exactly the kind of illegal immigrant who's life you want to ruin.

That's a really stupid policy. If you break the law, you face consequences, just like a citizen would. Then on top of that, they should be investigated by immigration.

 

That being said, stopping someone you "suspect" of being illegal is not something I support. Seems like a middle ground is needed.

[Magox]

That's a valid concern, but I have plenty to back the unbolded up, I just didn't include it. To give an example, do you think a Republican congress would have ever passed NCLB or the Medicare benefit expansion for a Democrat President? They didn't roll over for that **** with Clinton or Obama, but they gave Bush every liberal bill he asked for.

Maybe a few republicans would have voted for it, and you gotta assume with a democratic president that they would have won even more senate and house seats. So, it's definitely possible. You gotta take into account that the left is veering further and further to the left. Even though Hillary isn't a true progressives progressive, she is running further to the left than even Obama. The days of Clintons centrist triangulation are over, Rob.

 

We are now dealing with a whole new beast. The left feel empowered, they are cheering on a socialist. Think about that for a second. The socialist is starting to enter into the mainstream Which means that democratic presidents are EXPECTED to pull the country further to the left. That's what the left will demand out of them. Look at their policy positions, they are radically different than those from the GOP.

It's refreshing to see a guy stand by his statements, rather than retract them in a wishy-washy fashion so as to appease the mob. It doesn't mean I'm going to vote for him, because he's shithouse-rat nuts. But it is refreshing.

 

(And McCain isn't a war hero. No disrespect to him...my disrespect is to Americans who overuse the word "hero.")

I disagree. It would be refreshing to see someone stand up for what they believe in, but when someone is purposely lying to rile up a certain segment of the population while succeeding to offend an entire race and then stand by his lies. Sorry, there is nothing refreshing about that at all.

[Rob's House]

Yeah, it's so refreshing seeing a guy lie and offend the entire Latino community, just so that he can garner votes amongst the nativist community, it's so refreshing to see a guy denigrate a war hero, it's so refreshing to proudly proclaim to be a birther kook, it's so refreshing in all his egomaniacal might to boldly proclaim how he would be the greatest job creator God ever created without giving a single hint in how he'd do that, it's so refreshing to see a guy running to be the president of the greatest nation in the world get involved in these sophomoric fights with members of our political community and then proceed to give out their private phone number out of spite.

 

Yeah, he's dreamy.

This self-righteous ****'s what I like seeing him stand up to. I couldn't give half a !@#$ about a bunch of brain dead Latinos who want to intentionally misinterpret (or are too stupid to know better) a comment for the sake of being offended. If someone feels offended maybe the first thing they should do is wipe their pu$$y and see if that doesn't help.

 

And I don't give a !@#$ about McCain. He even said "perhaps he's a war hero." His point's well taken - McCain's a war hero to the extent anyone who voluntarily goes to war is, but we tend to elevate him for getting captured when he's really no better than anyone else who fought and didn't get caught.

 

And I'm tired of the faux outrage and extreme judgments of sanctimonious mouth pieces who live to be outraged. It's nice to see someone give it back to them.

 

Perhaps I give less of a !@#$ about his policy specifics because I don't see him riding this out, but caving to and validating liberal politically correct bull **** is why conservatism and the republican party are dying cripples.

Maybe a few republicans would have voted for it, and you gotta assume with a democratic president that they would have won even more senate and house seats. So, it's definitely possible. You gotta take into account that the left is veering further and further to the left. Even though Hillary isn't a true progressives progressive, she is running further to the left than even Obama. The days of Clintons centrist triangulation are over, Rob.

 

We are now dealing with a whole new beast. The left feel empowered, they are cheering on a socialist. Think about that for a second. The socialist is starting to enter into the mainstream Which means that democratic presidents are EXPECTED to pull the country further to the left. That's what the left will demand out of them. Look at their policy positions, they are radically different than those from the GOP.

 

I see Sanders as the Goldwater of the left. He'll lose, but he'll make socialism accepted by the masses as a mainstream philosophy and pave the way for a future socialist the way Goldwater paved the way for Reagan.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

Trouble for you is that the demographics are running away from your quixotic quest. Keep voting for the free lunch givers and maybe your grandchildren will see the day of another conservative POTUS.

 

Thanks for being part of the solution.

Your grandchildren as well. We're holding them hostage too. Give me a libertarian.

[Magox]

This self-righteous ****'s what I like seeing him stand up to. I couldn't give half a !@#$ about a bunch of brain dead Latinos who want to intentionally misinterpret (or are too stupid to know better) a comment for the sake of being offended. If someone feels offended maybe the first thing they should do is wipe their pu$$y and see if that doesn't help.

And I don't give a !@#$ about McCain. He even said "perhaps he's a war hero." His point's well taken - McCain's a war hero to the extent anyone who voluntarily goes to war is, but we tend to elevate him for getting captured when he's really no better than anyone else who fought and didn't get caught.

And I'm tired of the faux outrage and extreme judgments of sanctimonious mouth pieces who live to be outraged. It's nice to see someone give it back to them.

Perhaps I give less of a !@#$ about his policy specifics because I don't see him riding this out, but caving to and validating liberal politically correct bull **** is why conservatism and the republican party are dying cripples.

 

I see Sanders as the Goldwater of the left. He'll lose, but he'll make socialism accepted by the masses as a mainstream philosophy and pave the way for a future socialist the way Goldwater paved the way for Reagan.

Rob, Trump said Most Mexicans (illegal immigrants) are rapists and drug dealers. And that he "supposes" "some are good people". No offense, but you'd have to be brain dead as you put to see that statement not only had NO BASIS in fact, but is tremendously And unequivocally offensive with any reasonable thinking person. He's not stupid, Rob he knows that there are a lot of nativists out their yearning to buy his snakeskin oil. That was a calculated statement by a showman to rile up a subsect of the GOP voters.

 

 

Rob, are you telling me you bought some of that snakeoil?

Edited July 22, 2015 by Magox

[GG]

That's a valid concern, but I have plenty to back the unbolded up, I just didn't include it. To give an example, do you think a Republican congress would have ever passed NCLB or the Medicare benefit expansion for a Democrat President? They didn't roll over for that **** with Clinton or Obama, but they gave Bush every liberal bill he asked for.

 

Yes, the old talking points about NCLB and the Medicare prescription expansion. Who cares that the programs actually worked as advertised and in the case of the prescription plan, reduced projected federal expenditures. Maybe a little fact checking helps before repeating every talking point you hear on talk radio.

[B-Large]

What's funny, yet sad is that there are plenty of people who would rather support this kook over some of the more substantive and qualified candidates. Make no mistake, Trump will fade but seeing this sort of support for Trump is a really poor reflection of the composition of many of the GOP voters.

First, it's July 2015- none of this means much other than to fill cable new cycles and give Trump a mega huge raging boner. Immigration is a BIG issue, it remains unaddressed after another 2 term presidential cycle, and Americans are tired of GOP/ Democrat volley game of secure the border versus path to citizenship, when we all know they are not mutually exclusive. Trump is flamboyant and spouts a lot of nonsense, but he is hitting cord with those of that want the issue addressed.... he'll be gone by next summer, we all know it, but let's hope the issue remains hot and debated until November, we will all be better off for it.

 

Secure the border first, I mean for !@#$s sake we spend trillions defending our safety, so we don't have domestic attacks so we can go about or privileged lives, and people are actually okay with the seeping chasm be call our border with Mexico? Make it a Defense based Stimulus project, Democratic and Republicans will be jizzing all over each other to say "look what we're doing, vote for us!"

[GG]

Your grandchildren as well. We're holding them hostage too. Give me a libertarian.

 

And exactly what is a libertarian President going to do to fix things in one term, with Congress likely united against him? What powers does he have to dismantle things in 3 years?

 

Maybe he an eliminate a windmill here and there.

[Rob's House]

 

Yes, the old talking points about NCLB and the Medicare prescription expansion. Who cares that the programs actually worked as advertised and in the case of the prescription plan, reduced projected federal expenditures. Maybe a little fact checking helps before repeating every talking point you hear on talk radio.

NCLB is garbage. It's great if you have the dumb kid or one who barely speaks English, but the rest of the class suffers for it, and if you have a high aptitude child you're !@#$ed. And FTR, I was opposed to broad sweeping entitlement programs before I heard about them on talk radio. And I'd like to see the data that supports your assertion that Medicare picking up the tab for the prescriptions of everyone over 65 reduced federal expenditures.

 

But in any case, those are two examples of left wing legislation that Republicans pushed through for political reasons because Bush wanted them, which supports my initial assertion.

[B-Large]

Give me, and others with similar views, a candidate who represents us; otherwise we'll do more damage to your cause than simply not turning up. We'll show up in droves, and we'll pull the lever for the other guy.

The ball is in your court, Republicans.

What horse in the lineup for the GOP gets your vote? Better question, is there one?

[GG]

NCLB is garbage. It's great if you have the dumb kid or one who barely speaks English, but the rest of the class suffers for it, and if you have a high aptitude child you're !@#$ed. And FTR, I was opposed to broad sweeping entitlement programs before I heard about them on talk radio. And I'd like to see the data that supports your assertion that Medicare picking up the tab for the prescriptions of everyone over 65 reduced federal expenditures.

 

But in any case, those are two examples of left wing legislation that Republicans pushed through for political reasons because Bush wanted them, which supports my initial assertion.

 

NCLB is not as big of a garbage cluster as the critics point them out to be, because there should be a base national standard for education and schools and employers need to know that they are looking at basic common standards. How it's implemented is a different question, specially when you have roadblocks to school choice. BTW, guess which candidate has had the most success in promoting school choice?

 

The Medicare drug law is a classic case of conservatives crying about the legislation without understanding basic economics of return on investment. The pundits only look at the expansion of Medicare and pretend that without the law, the money wouldn't have been spent. But guess what, medicines remain the most cost effective means to keep people healthy, and without providing the prescription benefit to the growing senior population (with high voting clout) overall health expenditures by the seniors would have been much higher. But again, the fiscal conservatives would be doing victory laps, even though a major health issue wouldn't be addressed and overall costs would be higher.

[Rob's House]

 

NCLB is not as big of a garbage cluster as the critics point them out to be, because there should be a base national standard for education and schools and employers need to know that they are looking at basic common standards. How it's implemented is a different question, specially when you have roadblocks to school choice. BTW, guess which candidate has had the most success in promoting school choice?

 

The Medicare drug law is a classic case of conservatives crying about the legislation without understanding basic economics of return on investment. The pundits only look at the expansion of Medicare and pretend that without the law, the money wouldn't have been spent. But guess what, medicines remain the most cost effective means to keep people healthy, and without providing the prescription benefit to the growing senior population (with high voting clout) overall health expenditures by the seniors would have been much higher. But again, the fiscal conservatives would be doing victory laps, even though a major health issue wouldn't be addressed and overall costs would be higher.

I don't have a problem with the concept of standardized tests, I have a problem with NCLB.

 

And the Medicare benefit is a classic case of using a steam roller to squash an ant. Instead of a targeted program to help those who genuinely couldn't get what they need, we make an all inclusive program that effectively eliminates the price function by taking the buyer out of the bargaining equation on a national scale.

[GG]

I don't have a problem with the concept of standardized tests, I have a problem with NCLB.

 

And the Medicare benefit is a classic case of using a steam roller to squash an ant. Instead of a targeted program to help those who genuinely couldn't get what they need, we make an all inclusive program that effectively eliminates the price function by taking the buyer out of the bargaining equation on a national scale.

 

Medicare as the largest single customer is the buyer. You should give credit to a once in a lifetime government program that works as advertised.

[Rob's House]

 

Medicare as the largest single customer is the buyer. You should give credit to a once in a lifetime government program that works as advertised.

I don't know that it does. Medicare, as the largest buyer, has the same dilemma communist countries have when it comes to determining price. Price is usually established where the seller can optimize efficiency based on the demand of multiple customers acting individually. When you have one buyer purchasing on behalf of the end user, who is unaffected by the price, you lose that mechanism and it becomes impossible to quantify market value. On drugs that are sold across all age brackets it's not as concerning, but for drugs that are nearly exclusive to the older generation it becomes a problem.

 

There are other concerns, including collateral issues, that I could go into as well, but it's getting late. Maybe tomorrow.

[IDBillzFan]

If I were Hillary, I'd keep an eye on Carly. Watch the video at the bottom of this link with Fiorina talking to Jake Tapper. She's terrific and completely turns everything on Hillary like a pro.

 

Don't be surprised if you hear Hillary swinging back at Carly...and that would be her first mistake. Fiorina would destroy Clinton in any measured kind of debate.

 

http://freebeacon.com/politics/carly-fiorina-blasts-hillary-clinton-for-deafening-silence-on-planned-parenthood/

[Magox]

If I were Hillary, I'd keep an eye on Carly. Watch the video at the bottom of this link with Fiorina talking to Jake Tapper. She's terrific and completely turns everything on Hillary like a pro.

Don't be surprised if you hear Hillary swinging back at Carly...and that would be her first mistake. Fiorina would destroy Clinton in any measured kind of debate.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/carly-fiorina-blasts-hillary-clinton-for-deafening-silence-on-planned-parenthood/

I have a sneaking suspicion she will do well in the debate stage from the second tier candidates and there will be some candidates that will drop off the first tier. So I do think there will be an opening for her toat least have her voice heard in a more meaningful way.

[keepthefaith]

I have a sneaking suspicion she will do well in the debate stage from the second tier candidates and there will be some candidates that will drop off the first tier. So I do think there will be an opening for her toat least have her voice heard in a more meaningful way.

Let's hope she's polling well enough to get on stage. She should shine in that environment.

[Nanker]

Damn that Carly! She sure did give Jake Tapper a serious case of consternation. It looked like he was constipated, he was so trying to have a got-cha moment and ended up with nothing but a sad, disappointed puss. "So Carly, tell me if you agree with Scott Walker's extremism - or tell us how your extremism is different than his extremism."

Well Jake, I'll bet you're as happy with your mother's decision not to abort you as Tim Tebow is about his mother's decision. FU CNN.

[Magox]

Yes, it's early and head to head polling match ups don't carry all that much weight this early on, even though I do believe they are a snapshot in time. Having said that, take a look.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is behind or on the wrong side of a too-close-to-call result in matchups with three leading Republican contenders, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker in Colorado, Iowa and Virginia, according to a Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll released today.
Perhaps the biggest loser, however, is Donald Trump, who has negative favorability ratings of almost 2-1 in each state, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds. The Swing State Poll focuses on key states in the presidential election.
In several matchups in Iowa and Colorado, another Democratic contender, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, runs as well as, or better than Clinton against Rubio, Bush and Walker. Vice President Joseph Biden does not do as well.
Clinton gets markedly negative favorability ratings in each state, 35 - 56 percent in Colorado, 33 - 56 percent in Iowa and 41 - 50 percent in Virginia.
The worst favorability ratings for any Democrat or Republican in the presidential field belong to Trump: 31 - 58 percent in Colorado, 32 - 57 percent in Iowa and 32 - 61 percent in Virginia.
"Hillary Clinton's numbers have dropped among voters in the key swing states of Colorado, Iowa and Virginia. She has lost ground in the horserace and on key questions about her honesty and leadership," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll. "On being a strong leader, a key metric in presidential campaigns, she has dropped four to 10 points depending on the state and she is barely above 50 percent in each of the three states."
"Against three Republicans, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Secretary Clinton trails in six matchups and is on the down side of too-close-to call in three," Brown added.
"That's compared to the April 9 Quinnipiac University poll in which she was clearly ahead in five of the matchups and too-close-to-call in the other four. One other key takeaway is that Vice President Joseph Biden, who is considering a 2016 run, does better than Clinton on honesty and on caring about voter needs, always a key Democratic strong point."
"Donald Trump stands out for the wrong reason among the 17 candidates for the Republican presidential nomination: His large negative favorability rating means his growth potential is not as attractive as his competitors."

 

 

 

 

Hillaries Unfavorability ratings are through the roof, not to mention that she is getting trounced by the three candidates in three very important states, who I happen to believe are in the best position to beat her in the general elections.

 

Her unfavorability rating's are almost as bad as Trump's. Wow! Yes, it's early but look how much the people who were polled don't trust her. That should be sounding the alarms in the Hillary camp.

Edited July 22, 2015 by Magox