Very wide right Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Jeb Bush's position on Obamacare No sensible candidate is going to advocate for the repeal of the healthcare law without some clear replacement for the law. Taking away people's health insurance that they have obtained for the first time in some cases decades or ever is a non starter without providing some sort of alternative. Oh yes,you wouldn't want to upset the "I want stuff for free crowd". Maybe it's time to start paying attention to the Americans who work not the parasites.
Magox Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Jeb Bush's position on Obamacare No sensible candidate is going to advocate for the repeal of the healthcare law without some clear replacement for the law. Taking away people's health insurance that they have obtained for the first time in some cases decades or ever is a non starter without providing some sort of alternative. Oh yes,you wouldn't want to upset the "I want stuff for free crowd". Maybe it's time to start paying attention to the Americans who work not the parasites. Go away
Deranged Rhino Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Oh yes,you wouldn't want to upset the "I want stuff for free crowd". Maybe it's time to start paying attention to the Americans who work not the parasites. But then who would pay attention to you?
Very wide right Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 It's hard to sell the general public on the idea that all illegals are here to do bad things, and should face consequences. I'm actually surprised Republicans are holding on to it as a party platform, considering the increasing hispanic population. Maybe those Republicans are for enforcing the law
KD in CA Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 By force? That's your number one desired way to deal with Iran? AND a border fence? (Which we can't afford nor build without illegal immigrant labor btw -- IRONY!) Yeah, nether of these things are going to happen. Full citizenship to anyone who works 1000+ hours constructing the wall (at minimum wage). Bam!! KD for President!!!
Magox Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 It's hard to sell the general public on the idea that all illegals are here to do bad things, and should face consequences. I'm actually surprised Republicans are holding on to it as a party platform, considering the increasing hispanic population. It's their party platform? Link?
GG Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 I'm all for securing the border then deal with a path to citizenship for those here. I would love to hear what the conservatives plan to do with those here. If they insist on strict deportation they'll never win another election. I think this has been pointed out to the GOP since the early 2000's. Maybe one day they'll understand.
Dorkington Posted July 21, 2015 Author Posted July 21, 2015 It's their party platform? Link? It's not? I was under the impression that Republicans were generally for stronger borders and deportation? I remember there being a lot of freak out when certain "paths to citizenship" were discussed in years past. If I'm mistaken, I have no problem admitting my error, not trying to sell misinformation. Maybe those Republicans are for enforcing the law Which is fine and dandy, but sometimes existing laws don't fit current society.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Full citizenship to anyone who works 1000+ hours constructing the wall (at minimum wage). Bam!! KD for President!!! You'd have my vote. Just for the jokes alone. You'd have to pick your cabinet from PPP posters though, and Gator would HAVE to be included somewhere, purely for entertainment value.
Dorkington Posted July 21, 2015 Author Posted July 21, 2015 You'd have my vote. Just for the jokes alone. You'd have to pick your cabinet from PPP posters though, and Gator would HAVE to be included somewhere, purely for entertainment value. Gator should be in charge of "family values" and Very wide right should be in charge of "gay marriage".
KD in CA Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 You'd have my vote. Just for the jokes alone. You'd have to pick your cabinet from PPP posters though, and Gator would HAVE to be included somewhere, purely for entertainment value. That's an easy one....gatortard can be Secretary of Education. He'd be perfect to run all our federal schools.
unbillievable Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Why is Hilary getting destroyed? It's her turn to be President! Edited July 21, 2015 by unbillievable
IDBillzFan Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Full citizenship to anyone who works 1000+ hours constructing the wall (at minimum wage). Bam!! KD for President!!! You just need to announce that on Day 1 of your presidency you will hold a strict review of all interns.
DC Tom Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 It's not? I was under the impression that Republicans were generally for stronger borders and deportation? I remember there being a lot of freak out when certain "paths to citizenship" were discussed in years past. If I'm mistaken, I have no problem admitting my error, not trying to sell misinformation. Generally, Republicans are for stronger borders and reforming USCIS so it doesn't take twelve years to get a damn green card. What they freak out over is "amnesty," which is usually a polemic freak-out rather than a practical one: if FEMA can't even successfully manage the logistics of responding to a tornado in Moore, OK, DHS is never going to deport 12 million Mexicans. It's a completely retarded position to take. I don't recall many people having a cow over different "paths to citizenship," though. Just over a blanket pardon of criminal activity. And true to American form, the argument takes the form of the two extremes: deport everyone, or pardon everyone and open borders. No one discusses any more moderate solutions...such as Bush's. (Side note: you know who hates amnesty for illegal immigrants the most? Legal immigrants.) That's an easy one....gatortard can be Secretary of Education. He'd be perfect to run all our federal schools. Or fire Yellen and put him in charge of the Fed.
Chef Jim Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 It's not? I was under the impression that Republicans were generally for stronger borders and deportation? I remember there being a lot of freak out when certain "paths to citizenship" were discussed in years past. If I'm mistaken, I have no problem admitting my error, not trying to sell misinformation. Many of the GOP is good with a path to citizenship as long as the border is secured first.
B-Man Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Many of the GOP are good with a path to citizenship as long as the border is secured first.
Taro T Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Trump is gaining traction because people are sick and tired of the direction this country is heading in.The liberal wackos have finally pissed off too many working Americans.The fact that a socialist even has a chance to be elected as president of the US is more than disturbing.Eight years of Obama has finally woken people up.Trump is actually a breath of fresh air,the GOP have listened to campaign advisors for too long and thats why they have lost elections.Tone it down has been the message and Trump is resonating with voters because he is raising hell exposing the failures and mayhem that is the democrat party The fact that a self-avowed socialist is running for President does not necessarily imply in any way that he has an even remotely realistic "chance." Trump w/ no chance has a better chance than Sanders.
GG Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Many of the GOP is good with a path to citizenship as long as the border is secured first. Welcome to the chicken & the egg. You can't secure the border without first fixing the desire for the immigrants to get here. That's why the Bush plan was reasonable. It provided for a path to legalization, but also had provisions for temp workers and that would stem the tide of illegals. The logistics of securing the vast border are too complex to throw all energy to that, but ignore the demand side of the labor pool. Securing the border has the same probability of success as the war on drugs.
keepthefaith Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 It's hard to sell the general public on the idea that all illegals are here to do bad things, and should face consequences. I'm actually surprised Republicans are holding on to it as a party platform, considering the increasing hispanic population. It's not hard to sell the public on the facts which are that: Illegal immigrants take jobs from and suppress wages for some Americans. They cost states, counties and towns a lot of money for social services and education. Some do commit crimes at significant cost to communities and taxpayers. We don't know who and what is coming over the border, some of which are very bad. The population growth as a result of so many years of open borders will reduce the standard of living for many Americans. We allow almost 1 million people a year to come here legally.
Dorkington Posted July 21, 2015 Author Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Generally, Republicans are for stronger borders and reforming USCIS so it doesn't take twelve years to get a damn green card. What they freak out over is "amnesty," which is usually a polemic freak-out rather than a practical one: if FEMA can't even successfully manage the logistics of responding to a tornado in Moore, OK, DHS is never going to deport 12 million Mexicans. It's a completely retarded position to take. I don't recall many people having a cow over different "paths to citizenship," though. Just over a blanket pardon of criminal activity. And true to American form, the argument takes the form of the two extremes: deport everyone, or pardon everyone and open borders. No one discusses any more moderate solutions...such as Bush's. (Side note: you know who hates amnesty for illegal immigrants the most? Legal immigrants.) Or fire Yellen and put him in charge of the Fed. Many of the GOP is good with a path to citizenship as long as the border is secured first. Sounds like a case of the vocal minority, then. Path to citizenship is really the only practical solution... most illegals are basically here to make a life for themselves, and that's about it... there's some that are problematic, and those people most definitely need to be deported, but thats not a whole lot different than citizens who obey the law, and those who commit other acts of crime. As far as securing the border... I have no real practical answer for that one. A wall, as discussed, is kinda dumb... you could throw more people at the problem, but when there's a will there's a way. Maybe the real solution is to better penalize those who employ illegals, to cut back on "demand". It's gonna be a tough problem as long as Mexico is "suffering" relative to its northern neighbors, though. Edited July 21, 2015 by Dorkington
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