Walmart and Unions

[Bill from NYC]

HEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOO?????

 

I have said several times that yes, unions laid a nice groundwork. They basically set the standard of how campanies now should treat their employees. However, they have done their job. They are dated, and not relevant in the 21st century.

 

You keep coming back with this same argument, and I keep replying the same.

 

PLEASE, tell me why we STILL need unions besides making sure some guy who has no other skills besides putting a certain bolt on a transmission can make $25/hour?

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The above from someone in the porno industry.

[Bill from NYC]

I would at least made his juggle, or stand on his head --- something..

 

nah, forget it, you'd probably get pressure from the union for over working him.

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How many hours per day do you spend at your non-union porno industry job posting on TSW, getting B word slapped by AD?

[erynthered]

How many hours per day do you spend at your non-union porno industry job posting on TSW, getting B word slapped by AD?

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Yeah but you forgot the=

 

 

[Live&DieBillsFootball]

This topic was originally about Walmart and unions.

 

Here's some FACTS to think about:

 

1. Wal-Mart, with about 25 percent of the company's 37,000 workers on TennCare, tops the list of businesses with employees on the expanded Medicaid program. Wal-Mart is the state's largest private employer.

 

A study of Tennessee businesses shows thousands of Wal-Mart employees are on TennCare, the state's expanded Medicaid program, providing fodder for critics who say some businesses are shifting costs for low-paid employees onto the backs of taxpayers.

 

Wal-Mart, with 9,617 employees listed as receiving benefits from the program, said it offers a health plan available to full-time workers after six months and to part-time employees after two years.

 

2. California taxpayers subsidized $20.5 million worth of medical care for Wal-Mart in that state alone. In fact, Wal-Mart personnel offices, knowing employees cannot afford the company health plan, actually encourage employees to apply for charitable and public assistance, according to a recent report by the PBS news program Now With Bill Moyers.

 

3. The Democratic Staff of the Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that one 200-person Wal-Mart store may result in a cost to federal taxpayers of $420,750 per year – about $2,103 per employee. Specifically, the low wages result in the following additional public costs being passed along to taxpayers:

 

• $36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families.

 

• $42,000 a year for Section 8 housing assistance, assuming 3 percent of the store employees qualify for such assistance, at $6,700 per family.

 

• $125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, assuming 50 employees are heads of household with a child and 50 are married with two children.

 

• $100,000 a year for the additional Title I expenses, assuming 50 Wal-Mart families qualify with an average of 2 children.

 

• $108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children’s health insurance programs (S-CHIP), assuming 30 employees with an average of two children qualify.

 

• $9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.

 

 

Link to Congressional report

[mead107]

This topic was originally about Walmart and unions.

 

Here's some FACTS to think about:

 

1.  Wal-Mart, with about 25 percent of the company's 37,000 workers on TennCare, tops the list of businesses with employees on the expanded Medicaid program. Wal-Mart is the state's largest private employer.

 

A study of Tennessee businesses shows thousands of Wal-Mart employees are on TennCare, the state's expanded Medicaid program, providing fodder for critics who say some businesses are shifting costs for low-paid employees onto the backs of taxpayers.

 

Wal-Mart, with 9,617 employees listed as receiving benefits from the program, said it offers a health plan available to full-time workers after six months and to part-time employees after two years.

 

2.  California taxpayers subsidized $20.5 million worth of medical care for Wal-Mart in that state alone.  In fact, Wal-Mart personnel offices, knowing employees cannot afford the company health plan, actually encourage employees to apply for charitable and public assistance, according to a recent report by the PBS news program Now With Bill Moyers.

 

3.  The Democratic Staff of the Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that one 200-person Wal-Mart store may result in a cost to federal taxpayers of $420,750 per year – about $2,103 per employee. Specifically, the low wages result in the following additional public costs being passed along to taxpayers:

 

• $36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families.

 

• $42,000 a year for Section 8 housing assistance, assuming 3 percent of the store employees qualify for such assistance, at $6,700 per family.

 

• $125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, assuming 50 employees are heads of household with a child and 50 are married with two children.

 

• $100,000 a year for the additional Title I expenses, assuming 50 Wal-Mart families qualify with an average of 2 children.

 

• $108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children’s health insurance programs (S-CHIP), assuming 30 employees with an average of two children qualify.

 

• $9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.

Link to Congressional report

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walmart "O BOY", this is what people want that hate unions

[Nanker]

I'd like a listing of the people that were drug by the hair, kicking and screaming, and at gunpoint forced to fill out their application to work at Walmart.

Would that list be long?

 

This is America. Workers have a choice in where they work.

If these down trodden workers have so much to offer and are being horiffically treated by their employer they're free to take their considerable talents to a higher bidder. Or, even better - THEY can start their own business and find out what it's like to have to make payroll every week.

 

As an alternative - they could go 100% on the public dole, and that would make things more clear and probably acceptable to some. "Oh, I see. You're a 'Refuse-to-work-at-Walmartarian' are you? Well - here, have some more cheese!"

[Live&DieBillsFootball]

I'd like a listing of the people that were drug by the hair, kicking and screaming, and at gunpoint forced to fill out their application to work at Walmart.

Would that list be long?

 

This is America. Workers have a choice in where they work.

If these down trodden workers have so much to offer and are being horiffically treated by their employer they're free to take their considerable talents to a higher bidder. Or, even better - THEY can start their own business and find out what it's like to have to make payroll every week.

 

As an alternative - they could go 100% on the public dole, and that would make things more clear and probably acceptable to some. "Oh, I see. You're a 'Refuse-to-work-at-Walmartarian' are you? Well - here, have some more cheese!"

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You're missing the point.

 

The point is that Walmart is one of the largest private employers in this country, yet all of us are being forced to subsidize their employees' health care and other social costs because Walmart is unwilling to pay a living wage or provide affordable health care to their employees.

[mead107]

good paying jobs leaving and this is what is left .not every one can be college educated . if everyone was there would be no jobs to be had .everyone would have a MBA and still be working at walmart

[Nanker]

You're missing the point. 

 

The point is that Walmart is one of the largest private employers in this country, yet all of us are being forced to subsidize their employees' health care and other social costs because Walmart is unwilling to pay a living wage or provide affordable health care to their employees.

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Well, if they made all the employees fat, happy, and sassy they would never have become the largest employer because the mass consumer market would avoid them because of their high prices.

By the way, how many Walmart employees that are receiving public assistance are retirees and working part time? Maybe we shouldn't give any Social Security payments or Medicade to anyone that's retired and working part time. That would improve Walmart's statistics - wouldn't it?

[Nanker]

good paying jobs leaving and  this is what is left .not every one can be college educated . if everyone was there would be no jobs to be had .everyone would have a MBA and still be working at walmart

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mead, I think you underestimate the American spirit of enterprise. My good heavens. What DID the poor folks do back in the 19th century before these big multi national companies took over America and simply ruined it?

 

I don't want to go on with this topic, 'cause it's just not my cup of tea. But I wish more people would get a dream and pursue that instead of sucumbing to a mentality of being victimized. Remember, Attitude is a matter of attitude.

Peace

[mead107]

mead, I think you underestimate the American spirit of enterprise. My good heavens. What DID the poor folks do back in the 19th century before these big multi national companies took over America and simply ruined it?

 

I don't want to go on with this topic, 'cause it's just not my cup of tea. But I wish more people would get a dream and pursue that instead of sucumbing to a mentality of being victimized. Remember, Attitude is a matter of attitude. 

Peace

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you are telling me that every american needs to start his own company.?who would work for them ????????????some people need to be the grunts .

[mead107]

time to end this thread gone on to long and we are not going to solve the the world problems . sh-- we cann't even agree on who starts for the bills .

[KD in CA]

This topic was originally about Walmart and unions.

 

Here's some FACTS to think about:

 

1.  Wal-Mart, with about 25 percent of the company's 37,000 workers on TennCare, tops the list of businesses with employees on the expanded Medicaid program. Wal-Mart is the state's largest private employer.

 

A study of Tennessee businesses shows thousands of Wal-Mart employees are on TennCare, the state's expanded Medicaid program, providing fodder for critics who say some businesses are shifting costs for low-paid employees onto the backs of taxpayers.

 

Wal-Mart, with 9,617 employees listed as receiving benefits from the program, said it offers a health plan available to full-time workers after six months and to part-time employees after two years.

 

2.  California taxpayers subsidized $20.5 million worth of medical care for Wal-Mart in that state alone.  In fact, Wal-Mart personnel offices, knowing employees cannot afford the company health plan, actually encourage employees to apply for charitable and public assistance, according to a recent report by the PBS news program Now With Bill Moyers.

 

3.  The Democratic Staff of the Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that one 200-person Wal-Mart store may result in a cost to federal taxpayers of $420,750 per year – about $2,103 per employee. Specifically, the low wages result in the following additional public costs being passed along to taxpayers:

 

• $36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families.

 

• $42,000 a year for Section 8 housing assistance, assuming 3 percent of the store employees qualify for such assistance, at $6,700 per family.

 

• $125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, assuming 50 employees are heads of household with a child and 50 are married with two children.

 

• $100,000 a year for the additional Title I expenses, assuming 50 Wal-Mart families qualify with an average of 2 children.

 

• $108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children’s health insurance programs (S-CHIP), assuming 30 employees with an average of two children qualify.

 

• $9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.

Link to Congressional report

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All this tells me is that we need to drastically reduce the taxpayer funded entitlement programs in this country.

[IDBillzFan]

you are telling me that every american needs to start his own company.?who would work for them ????????????some people need to be the grunts .

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Unfortunately, as elitist as this may sound, the grunts are the ones who opted not to fend for themselves or get a better education or find ways to increase their hireability (so to speak). That becomes their choice, and to suggest that we should take care of people like that simply because they made bad choices for their own life is just too bleeding heart for me.

 

And to B word about your lot in life instead of doing something about it only makes things worse.

 

Once again...it all comes down to personal accountability. You're never too old, too dumb or too poor to better yourself. Opportunities are everywhere. It is whether you choose to take advantage of them that matters. If you choose not to, that should not become a problem for those who did.

[Fezmid]

That becomes their choice, and to suggest that we should take care of people like that simply because they made bad choices for their own life is just too bleeding heart for me.

 

Bleeding heart or communist, your pick.

 

CW

[Spikes16]

Blow Unions!

 

Because of Unions I had to move all over the country when I was a kid. The greed of Unions and its workers cost many Americans jobs and destroy entire cities. HMmm example BUFFALO..Bethlehem Steel the Unions destroyed the company.

 

NHL..Union again!

 

The reason cars are so expensive..UNIONS  $28 an hour to put a bolt on a car..AWESOME.

Thank God I work for a large Bank and Unions are not an issue

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I would'nt get out of bed for $28 an hour. I am a union rep and I make more than that due to my union. All you idiot union bashers just dont get it. I am able to take my kids on vacations and buy them the things they need and live comfortably due to the unions. So you would rather see the NY-Manhatten upper levels get all the profits and live in luxury instead of sharing the profits to the REAL people who made the company the money they enjoy? If it was'nt for my union, I would make $10 and hour with sh-- benefits just like you union bashers. My family enjoys the benefits of being in a union. And thats all that matters. Work your jobs for minimal pay and enjoy the fact that you can be fired for no reason and you have noone to turn to except for Mr.Molson. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain:

[Spikes16]

QUOTE(dundy249 @ Feb 11 2005, 10:23 AM)

Blow Unions!

 

Because of Unions I had to move all over the country when I was a kid. The greed of Unions and its workers cost many Americans jobs and destroy entire cities. HMmm example BUFFALO..Bethlehem Steel the Unions destroyed the company.

 

NHL..Union again!

 

The reason cars are so expensive..UNIONS $28 an hour to put a bolt on a car..AWESOME.

Thank God I work for a large Bank and Unions are not an issue

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would'nt get out of bed for $28 an hour. I am a union rep and I make more than that due to my union. All you idiot union bashers just dont get it. I am able to take my kids on vacations and buy them the things they need and live comfortably due to the unions. So you would rather see the NY-Manhatten upper levels get all the profits and live in luxury instead of sharing the profits to the REAL people who made the company the money they enjoy? If it was'nt for my union, I would make $10 and hour with sh-- benefits just like you union bashers. My family enjoys the benefits of being in a union. And thats all that matters. Work your jobs for minimal pay and enjoy the fact that you can be fired for no reason and you have noone to turn to except for Mr.Molson.

[MikeInRoch]

You're missing the point. 

 

The point is that Walmart is one of the largest private employers in this country, yet all of us are being forced to subsidize their employees' health care and other social costs because Walmart is unwilling to pay a living wage or provide affordable health care to their employees.

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You are "forced" to subsidize this because the government decided that you are. No one is *required* to have health care. If you do not have the skills/ambition required to get a job that would provide health care, why should the government have to bail you out?

[bbb]

"My family enjoys the benefits of being in a union. And thats all that matters."

 

I guess that about says it all.

[KRC]

I would'nt get out of bed for $28 an hour. I am a union rep and I make more than that due to my union. All you idiot union bashers just dont get it. I am able to take my kids on vacations and buy them the things they need and live comfortably due to the unions. So you would rather see the NY-Manhatten upper levels get all the profits and live in luxury instead of sharing the profits to the REAL people who made the company the money they enjoy? If it was'nt for my union, I would make $10 and hour with sh-- benefits just like you union bashers. My family enjoys the benefits of being in a union. And thats all that matters. Work your jobs for minimal pay and enjoy the fact that you can be fired for no reason and you have noone to turn to except for Mr.Molson.  :I starred in Brokeback Mountain:

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I make more than that, and I didn't need a union to do it for me. Some people are incapable of providing for themselves, and need the help of others to get these things for them.

 

Those who can, do. Those who can't, rely on unions to get it for them.