YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 The good news is that EJ can't regress any further. hyperbole police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Got it. So after EJ Manuel sucked in pretty much every single practice and certainly every single preseason game, the Bills brass was like, "Well obviously we're good to go at starting QB but man, Thad Lewis is a giant concern at backup QB. Let's dump him and coax this guy out of retirement by paying him $5 million a season just to hold a clipboard. I mean, I'm sure we'll never have to actually use him because EJ looks great but we really need a good backup QB just in case he gets injured." OK, just wanted to make sure. Look I agree that their hand was forced but to say that Manuel had nothing to do with their hand being forced is kind of insane. It's almost historically inaccurate. August 29. either way, the plan worked out great. Orton had a lower qbr than Manuel did as a rookie and Marrone is coaching in Jax. And EJ gets another shot at a starting job. I'm thrilled!Right because Marrone was so concerned with Thad Lewis's play.Given that EJ missed 5 games as rookie and were forced to start Tuel for a game, why would you need a veteran backup?hyperbole police Edited July 22, 2015 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 That's three QBs that regressed under Marrone. Weird. ONLY 3??? seems like more. EJ, Thad, Tuel, Orton, and I'll even throw in Kolb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 August 29. either way, the plan worked out great. Orton had a lower qbr than Manuel did as a rookie and Marrone is coaching in Jax. And EJ gets another shot at a starting job. I'm thrilled! Given that EJ missed 5 games as rookie and were forced to start Tuel for a game, why would you need a veteran backup? If EJ Manuel PROGRESSED in the 2014 offseason, my guess is that they wouldn't have been so overly concerned with signing Orton. You are basically stating that Manuel's regression was not a concern but Thad Lewis's was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 can someone remind me who that guy was who said he wanted to let it go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 ONLY 3??? seems like more. EJ, Thad, Tuel, Orton, and I'll even throw in Kolb We are blaming Doug Marrone for Jeff Tuel and Kevin Kolb now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 is someone paying you for this crusade that you are on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 can someone remind me who that guy was who said he wanted to let it go? Calmer than you are dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 We are blaming Doug Marrone for Jeff Tuel and Kevin Kolb now? sure why not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 is someone paying you for this crusade that you are on? I would call trying to make every absurd excuse known to man for a guy a "crusade" before I would call saying "not that optimistic but let's see what happens" a crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Calmer than you are dude. count your posts these past 2 days and mine. You are on a crusade. You stared the other day that we won't convince you of anything. Do you think you will change our opinions with the constant negativity? FTR I am calm. you should see me on a bad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 If EJ Manuel PROGRESSED in the 2014 offseason, my guess is that they wouldn't have been so overly concerned with signing Orton. You are basically stating that Manuel's regression was not a concern but Thad Lewis's was. Sure, it played a part but it was forced by Lewis looking awful. And despite the offseason, EJ won his first 2 starts of the year. Marrone panicked and bailed on a young qb at 2-2. He was a "hot" coaching candidate and is now coaching the oline. Why do you think that is? Maybe, teams didn't value his judgment as much as you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) I would call trying to make every absurd excuse known to man for a guy a "crusade" before I would call saying "not that optimistic but let's see what happens" a crusade. you use every BAD stat against EJ in his short career as a reason to dump him. Dude count your posts, you are on a crusade, you just refuse to see it. How many different people are you "arguing" with? 6? 10? I'm done for today. Peace out Edited July 22, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 This thread is a masterpiece. Thanks Yolo! This thread assures that I ALWAYS have something to look at during work - you just KNOW there's going to be some new crazy stuff written that will entertain. It's making the 5 minute spans between the 75 meetings that I have to day really fly by! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sure, it played a part but it was forced by Lewis looking awful. And despite the offseason, EJ won his first 2 starts of the year. Marrone panicked and bailed on a young qb at 2-2. He was a "hot" coaching candidate and is now coaching the oline. Why do you think that is? Maybe, teams didn't value his judgment as much as you do. I'm wondering if Marrone already planned to opt out of his contract during the begining of the season which would be why he panicked CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 So you are prepared to go on record as stating that EJ Manuel's 2014 dumpster fire of an offseason and preseason played no role in the signing of Orton? You are starting to tread dangerously close to Bills Fan 4 Life territory. Could you please give me specifics on the dumpster fire of 2014.....although I admit he did not look good in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I would call trying to make every absurd excuse known to man for a guy a "crusade" before I would call saying "not that optimistic but let's see what happens" a crusade. You can look in the mirror. He had 2 decent games and 2 bad ones. That really deserves to be given up for an entire season in your 2nd year? For a mediocre at best journeyman QB? Again, if this was a well renowned offensive coach, it might mean something. Why should any Bills fan trust Marrone's judgment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) you use every BAD stat against EJ in his short career as a reason to dump him. Dude count your posts, you are on a crusade, you just refuse to see it. How many different people are you "arguing" with? 6? 10? I'm done for today. Peace out I don't think I've ever cited a statistic for EJ Manuel ever. But alas, you will not respond so there you have it. EDIT: the Robert Woods one, that's the only stat I've ever used. Could you please give me specifics on the dumpster fire of 2014.....although I admit he did not look good in preseason. Yeah if you recall he looked awful in OTA's and practices all 2014 offseason as well. Every day we would wait to hear that he had a decent practice and every day the reports were the same. It was really alarming to everyone. I'm surprised some of you seem to have forgotten this. Apparently he looked good in the one practice with the Steelers and then reverted back to sucking again ad then looked abysmal in the preseason. The EJ excuse then was the coaches were running a vanilla offense and not showing their hand. Edited July 22, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 You can look in the mirror. He had 2 decent games and 2 bad ones. That really deserves to be given up for an entire season in your 2nd year? For a mediocre at best journeyman QB? Again, if this was a well renowned offensive coach, it might mean something. Why should any Bills fan trust Marrone's judgment? I want to know how Ortons dumpster fire was any different then EJ's dumpster fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 You can look in the mirror. He had 2 decent games and 2 bad ones. That really deserves to be given up for an entire season in your 2nd year? For a mediocre at best journeyman QB? Again, if this was a well renowned offensive coach, it might mean something. Why should any Bills fan trust Marrone's judgment? On paper, if you look at it that way, it doesn't sound unreasonable to have let him keep playing. But were you in favor of letting him play in Detroit? I didn't think anyone was at the time. There are three factors which made it a no-brainer to put in Orton. 1. We had/have a playoff caliber defense. Hey maybe if he was on the Raiders, they let him ride it out. 2. He was so bad in the offseason/preseason that his poor play did not appear to be a fluke. 3. It wasn't like he had a little hiccup. He completely imploded and lost all confidence to the point that his receivers were visibly frustrated- something I'd never seen in an NFL game before, at least not to that extent. They do not win that game in Detroit the way he was playing. It was the right move at the time. Should they have put Manuel back in later in the season when Orton started to suck too? Yes, I would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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