Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

[B-Man]

It's like he lives in some sort of alternate universe, where up is down, black is white and bad is good.

 

 

Another example..................

 

 

The White HouseVerified account ‏@WhiteHouse

"If Congress kills this deal, we will lose...America’s credibility as a leader of diplomacy" —@POTUS on the #IranDeal

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9:54 AM - 5 Aug 2015

 

 

 

That train left the station a loooonnnng time ago chief.

 

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[Tiberius]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-push-for-iran-nuclear-deal-evokes-echo-of-cold-war-outreach/2015/08/05/8d73873c-3b7d-11e5-8e98-115a3cf7d7ae_story.html?hpid=z1

 

President Obama took sharp aim at critics of the Iran nuclear deal on Wednesday, saying many of those who backed the U.S. invasion of Iraq now want to reject the accord and put the Middle East on the likely path toward another war.

“Now more than ever we need clear thinking in our foreign policy,” Obama told an audience at American University — the same venue used by President Kennedy to help encourage a landmark arms control deal with Moscow at the height of the Cold War.

“Many of the same people who made the case for war with Iraq” are now opposing the Iran deal, Obama said, urging for a shift away in U.S. policies “characterized by a preference for military action over diplomacy.”

Obama told lawmakers opposing the deal would set in motion one likely outcome: “Another war in the Middle East.”

“I am not saying this to be provocative,” Obama said. “I am stating a fact . . . the choice we have is some kind of war, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not in three months, but soon.”

 

[B-Man]

Obama just compared Republicans to the Iranian hardliners that shout "Death to America".

 

 

HMM: Highest-ranking Jewish House Democrat opposes Iran deal.

 

The highest-ranking Jewish Democrat in the House announced his opposition to the nuclear accord with Iran on Tuesday, in a blow to the Obama administration’s lobbying efforts.

 

“I’m going to vote against the Iran deal,” Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) — the former head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee — told Newsday.

 

“I tried very hard to get to yes. But at the end of the day, despite some positive elements in the deal, the totality compelled me to oppose it.”

 

In addition to Rep. Israel, Reps. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) and Ted Deutch (D-Fla.) also came out against the deal on Tuesday,

saying that the multinational agreement did not include enough safeguards to prevent Iran from cheating on its commitments or limit it from supporting extremist groups such as Hezbollah.

 

“After a decade in public life working to stop Iran from ever acquiring nuclear weapons, I cannot support a deal giving Iran billions of dollars in sanctions relief — in return for letting it maintain an advanced nuclear program and the infrastructure of a threshold nuclear state,” Deutch wrote in the Broward County Sun Sentinel.

 

The announcements complicated the Obama administration’s push on Iran on Capitol Hill, which it has been vigorously pursuing for weeks.

 

 

It’s a lousy deal.

 

 

 

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[Doc]

So when Bibi says Iran is close to a nuke, he's met with ridicule and scorn. When Barry says it...it's gospel. Pathetic but predictable.

[DC Tom]

 

Meanwhile, during the speech, CNN reports that Iranian ships were pointing their guns at US helicopters just two weeks ago.z

 

And US ships target Iranian ships and planes. Means nothing.

 

 

Another example..................

 

 

 

 

That train left the station a loooonnnng time ago chief.

 

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Like the Syrian "red line" never even happened.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-push-for-iran-nuclear-deal-evokes-echo-of-cold-war-outreach/2015/08/05/8d73873c-3b7d-11e5-8e98-115a3cf7d7ae_story.html?hpid=z1

 

 

 

“Many of the same people who made the case for war with Iraq” are now opposing the Iran deal, Obama said,

 

So if it fails, it's Bush's fault.

[IDBillzFan]

 

And US ships target Iranian ships and planes. Means nothing.

 

It means nothing to you because you know this.

 

The dumbasses watching CNN don't know this, and they see the president telling everyone Iran is our friend before CNN cuts away to a reporter discussing how Iran is pointing a gun at us.

 

You have to think many on the left are tired of Obama leading them to constant public mockery.

[B-Man]

You have to think many on the left are tired of Obama leading them to constant public mockery.

 

I disagree

 

Because “DEATH TO AMERICA” is just hyperbole: Iranian-born Sohrab Amari writes in Commentary about “The 36-year project to whitewash Iran.”

 

The metamorphosis of Iran, in elite American opinion, from terrorist state into U.S. partner is a long-brewing triumph for a certain set of ideas about the Islamic Republic and its relation to the nation it has called the “Great Satan” since its birth. Over time, the argument has been advanced by journalists, academics, Washington lobbies, and government officials. Its basic purpose has always been to sell the Iranian regime as moderate, amenable to reason, even decent and democratic, relative to its neighbors. The various arms of this campaign didn’t always work in concert. It wasn’t always a conscious effort. Frequently, it was advanced by well-intentioned but credulous journalists. The rebranding campaign was not a dark conspiracy; it was, for the most part, carried out openly. Nor, finally, did it always progress smoothly, but rather in fits and starts, with numerous setbacks along the way.

 

Nevertheless, Iran’s American apologists have now scored an unprecedented coup: making the U.S. friendly toward a regime whose motto is “Death to America.” . . .

 

 

 

But hey, I’m sure the whole “death to America” and “Great Satan” thing is just hyperbole. They’re really just a bunch of peace loving moderates who want to live in peace and embrace western values of democracy and equality, right?

 

Besides, as Obama said today, “The choice we face is ultimately between diplomacy or some form of war. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not three months from now, but soon.”

 

So in Obama’s worldview, the choice is between: (1) near-term, conventional war with Iran; or (2) kicking the can down the road (until after Obama leaves office), and accepting the possibility of Iranian nuclear aggression against Israel or the U.S.

 

The fact that President Obama cannot even envision a middle ground between these two extremes–such as the possibility that continued or enhanced sanctions could leverage greater limitations on Iran’s nuclear program or even create pressure for meaningful, democratic regime change–is what strikes me as most disturbing. A president who sees major foreign policy issues in such stark “you’re either with me, or you’re a war monger” terms is a dangerous, divisive leader.

 

In President Obama’s narcissistic quest to achieve a legacy of “diplomacy” with America’s enemies abroad, he is remarkably incapable of evincing any diplomacy at all domestically, with fellow Americans who dare to criticize him.

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

I love how Obama stated something to the effect of "Iran will not build a nuclear bomb on my watch."

After another 18 months...well, then, y'know...who cares after that, amirite, Barry?

[IDBillzFan]

Wow. How proud you nutsucking progs must be of your amazingly intelligent leader.

 

And yeah...he's your leader...because if he wants to equate his opposing American political party with Iranians who want to destroy America...then he can go phuck himself.

 

 

[DC Tom]

Wow. How proud you nutsucking progs must be of your amazingly intelligent leader.

 

And yeah...he's your leader...because if he wants to equate his opposing American political party with Iranians who want to destroy America...then he can go phuck himself.

 

 

 

Hardliners like...their head of state?

 

Unreal.

[B-Man]

Barack Obama’s Lowest Moment Yet?

 

FTA: (but read the whole thing)

 

No doubt the worst portion of Obama’s speech is the one that has gotten the most attention. Note how Obama walks right up to the line of accusing Republicans in Congress of treason:

Just because Iranian hardliners chant “Death to America” does not mean that that’s what all Iranians believe. (Applause.)

 

 

No, but it is what Iran’s rulers believe. Iran’s Supreme Leader frequently leads mobs in chants of “Death to America.” Who does Obama think he is kidding?

 

In fact, it’s those hardliners who are most comfortable with the status quo. It’s those hardliners chanting “Death to America” who have been most opposed to the deal. They’re making common cause with the Republican caucus. (Laughter and applause.)

 

 

If Obama had said that the Republican caucus is making common cause with Iran’s hardliners, it would have been an unambiguous accusation of treason. By phrasing it the other way around–the hardliners are making common cause with Republicans–Obama gives himself a slight margin of deniability. But either way, it is a disgusting slander.

 

It is also delusional. Iran’s hardliners are the regime in power. The mullahs are not aligning themselves with Republicans; on the contrary, they are trumpeting the fact that they got everything they wanted in their negotiations with John Kerry and Barack Obama. But Obama can’t, and won’t, confront that reality. He will just go on slandering his political opponents and lying to the American people.

 

 

 

Barack Obama is a terrible president, but he is a worse man.

[Magox]

Bloomberg editorial is certainly a center left outfit. Typically they agree with the president.

 

Having said that, they certainly weren't agreement with the president's divisive fear mongering tactics that he displayed yesterday in that embarrassing speech of his.

 

President Barack Obama took to the airwaves today, aiming to sell Congress and the American people on the wisdom of his nuclear deal with Iran. He had a case to make but chose not to make it. He decided instead to cast legitimate criticism of his pact as ignorant warmongering.

 

[IDBillzFan]

The only people who are with the president on this are the full-goose-bozo dyed-in-the-wool nutsucking ideologues who somehow think this is not only a good deal, but one that avoids the ONLY other options: war and the destruction of the US economy.

 

Gee, it seems like it's been less than a month since hard-core liberals insisted this abortion was 'generally praised.'

 

 

Broaden your scope - the deal has been generally praised

 

 

Oh wait. It WAS less than a month ago.

[Taro T]

The only people who are with the president on this are the full-goose-bozo dyed-in-the-wool nutsucking ideologues who somehow think this is not only a good deal, but one that avoids the ONLY other options: war and the destruction of the US economy.

 

Gee, it seems like it's been less than a month since hard-core liberals insisted this abortion was 'generally praised.'

 

 

 

 

Oh wait. It WAS less than a month ago.

Has it been praised by anyone other than the board's resident republican that you quoted?

[IDBillzFan]

Has it been praised by anyone other than the board's resident republican that you quoted?

 

Morgan Freeman seems to like it. And Jack Black. Because without the deal, we'll be, like, totally dead.

 

Super dead.

 

[Tiberius]

President Barack Obama’s Iran deal looks increasingly likely to survive a challenge from congressional Republicans after several swing Democrats said they would back the deal just as the Senate sped toward recess on Wednesday.

Minutes after Senate leaders locked in an agreement to begin debating the nuclear deal on Sept. 8, Independent Maine Sen. Angus King came to the floor to announce his support for the agreement. King’s decision will make it hard for GOP opponents to block the lifting of legislative sanctions when the Senate votes no later than Sept. 17.

 

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/senate-sets-september-debate-iran-nuclear-deal-121046.html#ixzz3i3H85PYf

 

[Magox]

 

President Barack Obama’s Iran deal looks increasingly likely to survive a challenge from congressional Republicans after several swing Democrats said they would back the deal just as the Senate sped toward recess on Wednesday.

Minutes after Senate leaders locked in an agreement to begin debating the nuclear deal on Sept. 8, Independent Maine Sen. Angus King came to the floor to announce his support for the agreement. King’s decision will make it hard for GOP opponents to block the lifting of legislative sanctions when the Senate votes no later than Sept. 17.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/senate-sets-september-debate-iran-nuclear-deal-121046.html#ixzz3i3H85PYf

 

 

 

 

Doesn't surprise me, now they gotta hope like hell that Iran doesn't cheat or increase their proxy war activities over the next year. Because you better believe, this will be a campaign issue and no matter how you slice it or dice it, it is not politically popular with the American public. It's just a matter of can Democrats just lose a little bit of support because of this Iran deal or will this be a foreign policy election and it becomes a huge negative.

 

Let's forget about the substance of the deal, this has been discussed ad nauseum, but more so on the political ramifications. Obama's decision to pretend that he is JFK or Reagan or whoever he thinks had previous success is potentially going to be a huge liability for other Democrats. Which is not surprising, considering other than Obama's political career, Democrats have been voted out more in the past 8 years than any other time in our lives. So he's been a huge political boon for republicans in the Senate, House, governorships and local and state politics.

 

I don't see any political upside for the D's on this issue.

[IDBillzFan]

this will be a campaign issue and no matter how you slice it or dice it, it is not politically popular with the American public....

 

With Hillary supporting the deal, I expect it to play a large role in the election. Will she carry the Obama belief that it's either this deal or war? Does she agree that the GOP and Iran hardliners are one and the same?

[Magox]

 

With Hillary supporting the deal, I expect it to play a large role in the election. Will she carry the Obama belief that it's either this deal or war? Does she agree that the GOP and Iran hardliners are one and the same?

 

 

She's got many of the same people who helped elect Obama on her team. They've already decided, they are going to connect themselves to the hip of Obama and in order to do that they are going to look to energize the base, microtarget, minorities, single white women and progressives and use their superior ground game and technologies to make sure they turn out.

 

They will cede the middle but while doing that they will attempt paint whatever republican in such a nasty manner that they will hope to depress turnout on their side and in the middle.

 

She's gonna run as a flaming left winger. The problem is that, most left wingers don't believe she's truly one of them and they don't see it as authentic, whereas Obama, they know he's one of them. Aside from lybob who happens to believe Obama is a republican in sheeps clothing.

[Magox]

Nothing to see here folks, Iran can be trusted.

 

New satellite images of a contested Iranian military facility suggest officials may be scrubbing down the site to remove signs of nuclear activity.

Images released by the Institute for Science and International Security reveal a number of new crates, vehicles and oil spills at the Parchin military facility, which could indicate that Iran is trying to clean up the site before international inspectors arrive.

“This renewed activity occurring after the signing of the [iran nuclear agreement] raises obvious concerns that Iran is conducting further sanitization efforts to defeat [international Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)] verification,” the think tank said in a statement.

“Although it is difficult to fathom Iran’s motivations for its recent actions at Parchin, this renewed activity may be a last ditch effort to try to ensure that no incriminating evidence will be found.”

The images match up with reports on Wednesday that U.S. intelligence officials have discovered that Iran is trying to sanitize the Parchin site, where Iran is suspected of having conducted tests on materials related to a nuclear bomb.