Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

[GG]

 

Broaden your scope - the deal has been generally praised

According to this right wing rag, it was: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/middleeast/middle-east-allies-see-heightened-peril-in-newly-empowered-tehran.html

[Deranged Rhino]

Iranians' View of the Deal:

 

 

 

 

Though largely excluded from U.S. media discussions, there is also substantial debate among Iranians about the virtues of the deal, with most viewing it positively due to the economic benefits it is expected to provide, but with many holding the view that it unfairly impinges on Iranian sovereignty in exchange for very few legitimate concessions.

 

(snip)

 

But he noted several critical caveats. To begin with, expectations among ordinary Iranians are very high: they expect substantial economic improvement, and if that fails to materialize, Amirahmadi sees a likelihood of serious political instability, which “could go in a terrible direction for Iran.” He pointed out that for many years, the Iranian government has, with some good reason, blamed the U.S., Europe and their sanctions regime for the economic suffering of Iranians. “They no longer have that pretext, which means they have to deliver,” he said. He argued that the 1979 revolution was driven primarily by the Shah’s devotion to distributing wealth to a tiny elite at the expense of most Iranians, and that any repeat of that with this new flow of money would exacerbate wealth inequality even further and risk serious domestic unrest.

 

 

 

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/14/iranian-view-nuclear-deal/

[B-Man]

The anytime-anywhere inspections were supposed to be non-negotiable.

 

Even the Obama administration knew that; they had told Congress at the beginning of the process that this would be a deal-breaker for the US.

 

Instead, Barack Obama and John Kerry tossed it aside to get their piece of paper.

 

The only possible way to view this is the beginning of a long retreat by the US from the region,

 

and don’t think for a moment that our allies don’t recognize it.”

 

 

 

 

Ben Rhodes tells CNN, ‘We never sought anytime/anywhere inspections’ in Iran; Certain about that?

http://twitchy.com/2015/07/14/ben-rhodes-tells-cnn-we-never-sought-anytimeanywhere-inspections-in-iran-certain-about-that/

 

 

 

 

And it gets worse from there, Max Boot writes at Commentary:

 

What this means is that Iran will soon have more than $100 billion extra to spend not only on exporting the Iranian revolution and dominating neighboring states (Gen. Soleimani’s job) but that it will also before long be free to purchase as many weapons — even ballistic missiles — as it likes on the world market.

No wonder Vladimir Putin appears to be happy: This deal is likely to become a windfall for Russian arms makers, although you can be sure that Iran will also spread its largesse to manufacturers in France and, if possible, the UK so as to give those countries an extra stake in not re-imposing sanctions.

 

 

To sum up: The agreement with Iran, even if Iran complies (which is a heroic assumption), will merely delay the weaponization of Iran’s nuclear program by a few years, while giving Iran a massive boost in conventional power in the meantime.

What do you think Iran’s Sunni neighbors, all of whom are terrified of Iranian power, will do in response? There is a good possibility that this agreement will set off a massive regional arms race, in both conventional and nuclear weaponry, while also leading states such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar to make common cause with the Islamic State as a hedge against Iranian designs in the region.

 

 

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[Tiberius]

 

Peace in our time

Maybe Iran will do us a favor and take over Iraq like Hitler took over the rest of Czecholovakia and the Austria

[3rdnlng]

Maybe Iran will do us a favor and take over Iraq like Hitler took over the rest of Czecholovakia and the Austria

Ah, I see you have returned even dumber. Not only is your content ignorant but you can't even finish a sentence. Why do you bother?

[Tiberius]

The anytime-anywhere inspections were supposed to be non-negotiable.

 

Even the Obama administration knew that; they had told Congress at the beginning of the process that this would be a deal-breaker for the US.

 

Instead, Barack Obama and John Kerry tossed it aside to get their piece of paper.

 

The only possible way to view this is the beginning of a long retreat by the US from the region,

 

and don’t think for a moment that our allies don’t recognize it.”

 

 

 

 

Ben Rhodes tells CNN, ‘We never sought anytime/anywhere inspections’ in Iran; Certain about that?

http://twitchy.com/2015/07/14/ben-rhodes-tells-cnn-we-never-sought-anytimeanywhere-inspections-in-iran-certain-about-that/

 

 

 

 

And it gets worse from there, Max Boot writes at Commentary:

 

What this means is that Iran will soon have more than $100 billion extra to spend not only on exporting the Iranian revolution and dominating neighboring states (Gen. Soleimani’s job) but that it will also before long be free to purchase as many weapons — even ballistic missiles — as it likes on the world market.

No wonder Vladimir Putin appears to be happy: This deal is likely to become a windfall for Russian arms makers, although you can be sure that Iran will also spread its largesse to manufacturers in France and, if possible, the UK so as to give those countries an extra stake in not re-imposing sanctions.

 

 

To sum up: The agreement with Iran, even if Iran complies (which is a heroic assumption), will merely delay the weaponization of Iran’s nuclear program by a few years, while giving Iran a massive boost in conventional power in the meantime.

What do you think Iran’s Sunni neighbors, all of whom are terrified of Iranian power, will do in response? There is a good possibility that this agreement will set off a massive regional arms race, in both conventional and nuclear weaponry, while also leading states such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar to make common cause with the Islamic State as a hedge against Iranian designs in the region.

 

 

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And one wonders what Max Boot would offer as a solution to Iran bomb?

 

So this whole thing was just done to ease tensions in the area ? And it's the same as Nixon going to China?? So this whole deal was just to open up conversations? Welcome back ya tool!

[GG]

Maybe Iran will do us a favor and take over Iraq like Hitler took over the rest of Czecholovakia and the Austria

Maybe they can also open up some work camps to increase employment in the region.

[truth on hold]

Yes, the Israelis are an advanced civilization that positively contributes to the world who happens to be surrounded by a bunch of religious fanatics who wish them harm. Whereas the leadership of the Iranians want to expand their reach by investing in terrorist proxies throughout the region so that they can destabilize the Middle East in order to gain more power. Not surprising that you side with the country who chants "Death to America"

certainly there are elements there that are set in their ways and only see US as the country that launched a covert campaign to remove their democratically leader, helped Saddam launch a horrific war against them that killed a million people, and supports bad actors in the region like Saudis and Israelis. Unfortunately our policy has provided support for them. And we have people here like McCain who sings about "bomb, bomb Iran" and the biggest Republican donor Sheldon Adelson saying we should be dropping nukes on Iran now. But I guess you're OK with that.

 

Anyway, the challenge now is to connect with people in all countries that realize we all need to change our ways and make a break from the past. I believe Obama is on board with that and so is Rouhani. Saudis .... not sure ... they may get there. Both they and Iran need to find some common ground on the Sunni - Shiite thing, and we just need to stay the f^@% out of it. Israelis under Netanyahu ... no I have no hope. He's a manipulative, lying creep who won't be deterred from his agenda to colonize all of Palestine, no matter the cost. The western, Russian, and Asian delegates at the table certainly know the score that mideast is anything but black and white, and the biggest critics of Iran in the area are also on the short list of biggest supporters or terror, state sponsored or otherwise. Obama also hinted that if US doesn't support the deal, the others will go their own way and make one-off deals with Iran, UN be damned. People are sick of the hypocritical BS and arbitrary labeling of players in the region as "good" and "bad". And wasting time, money, and making wars for weapons that dont exist

Edited July 15, 2015 by JTSP

[meazza]

certainly there are elements there that are set in their ways and only see US as the country that launched a covert campaign to remove their democratically leader, helped Saddam launch a horrific war against them that killed a million people, and supports bad actors in the region like Saudis and Israelis. Unfortunately our policy has provided support for them. And we have people here like McCain who sings about "bomb, bomb Iran" and the biggest Republican donor Sheldon Adelson saying we should be dropping nukes on Iran now. But I guess you're OK with that.

 

Anyway, the challenge now is to connect with people in all countries that realize we all need to change our ways and make a break from the past. I believe Obama is on board with that and so is Rouhani. Saudis .... not sure ... they may get there. Both they and Iran need to find some common ground on the Sunni - Shiite thing, and we just need to stay the f^@% out of it. Israelis under Netanyahu ... no I have no hope. He's a manipulative, lying creep who won't be deterred from his agenda to colonize all of Palestine, no matter the cost. The western, Russian, and Asian delegates at the table certainly know the score that mideast is anything but black and white, and the biggest critics of Iran in the area are also on the short list of biggest supporters or terror, state sponsored or otherwise. Obama also hinted that if US doesn't support the deal, the others will go their own way and make one-off deals with Iran, UN be damned. People are sick of the hypocritical BS and arbitrary labeling of players in the region as "good" and "bad". And wasting time, money, and making wars for weapons that dont exist

 

 

[Tiberius]

Maybe they can also open up some work camps to increase employment in the region.

I am sort of surprised no one claimed that this agreement would re-open Auschwitz

[Magox]

Iranians' View of the Deal:

 

 

 

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/14/iranian-view-nuclear-deal/

 

The only way I see this working is if there is a revolution that displaces the current regime with a more moderate form of Democracy in the next decade or so.

 

I don't see that happening. There are consequential differences between Iran and the rest of the dictators overthrown from the Arab Spring. One is that Iran will crack down on dissent that threatens their power in a way we've not seen from the other countries. Two, the Revolutionary guard is absolutely loyal to this regime and they won't turn on the Ayatollah like we've seen other armed forces turn on their leaders like we saw in some of the middle eastern countries.

 

It's a huge gamble but in my view not only pay off, but have terrible consequences follow.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Magox

[IDBillzFan]

I am sort of surprised no one claimed that this agreement would re-open Auschwitz

 

Given your love of dead Americans and Jews, I think we all know how excited you'd be if that were to happen.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I'm supposing JTSP is a lover of Islamic dictatorship, despite his howling about the Saudis.

[Tiberius]

 

The only way I see this working is if there is a revolution that displaces the current regime with a more moderate form of Democracy in the next decade or so.

 

I don't see that happening. There are consequential differences between Iran and the rest of the dictators overthrown from the Arab Spring. One is that Iran will crack down on dissent that threatens their power in a way we've not seen from the other countries. Two, the Revolutionary guard is absolutely loyal to this regime and they won't turn on the Ayatollah like we've seen other armed forces turn on their leaders like we saw in some of the middle eastern countries.

 

It's a huge gamble but in my view not only pay off, but have terrible consequences follow.

Or we can see a new generation of leaders replace the aging revolutionaries and they move towards more of a civilized form of governing like happened in China. Rapprochement with the US does help that process move forward.

[Very wide right]

I am sort of surprised no one claimed that this agreement would re-open Auschwitz

They don't need that anymore,your coveted abortion mills are killing 3000 a day.Much more effective.

[IDBillzFan]

Or we can see a new generation of leaders replace the aging revolutionaries.

 

I don't know that I'd classify Hillary and Bernie as revolutionaries.

 

Oh. Sorry. Wrong thread. I saw the word "aging" and all I could think of was the Democrat's field for 2016.

[Tiberius]

They don't need that anymore,your coveted abortion mills are killing 3000 a day.Much more effective.

Don't aborted babies just go right to paradise anyway? What's better than heaven?

[Keukasmallies]

So are Teheran and Washington, DC now sister cities?

[IDBillzFan]

Presidential candidate Jim Webb came out against the Iran deal.

 

What a dirtbag teabagger....

 

Oh. Wait. He's a Democrat? Saying we gave Iran a pathway to a nuke?

 

Gee. That "generally praised" thing sure disappeared quickly.

 

After the deal was announced Tuesday, Webb’s reaction was noncommittal. “This is an important moment in terms of the future of American foreign policy. I look forward to reading and examining the agreement,” he said.

But by the next day, he was more critical. “My concern really is that at the bottom line of the agreement, here is what we have; we have Iran having their sanction lifted, having a number of these other issues with respect to their activities not addressed, and having the rest of the region receiving a signal, that we the United States are accepting the eventuality that they will acquire a nuclear weapon,” Webb told NPR’s Diane Rehm.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Obama´s Deal: $150 Billion to Iran to Destroy Israel with Conventional Arms
American Thinker, by Rabbi Aryeh Spero

 

Original Article

 

 

One of the most alarming and catastrophic elements being overlooked in yesterday´s give-away deal to the mullahs is that Iran will soon receive $150 billion dollars. With that money they can immediately go after Israel with tens of billions in horrific conventional weapons, missiles, bombers... way before any nuclear bomb is fully functional. Israel will be overwhelmed as never before, and America will be more vulnerable to Iranian plots financed, bizarrely, by Mr. Obama´s giveaways. The mullahs can now echo Lenin: "The West will supply us the rope to hang them.