GG Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Immigration is a huge plank of his, no doubt. I think it accounts for about half of his 30%. The other half is a protest vote against the GOP's corruption, stupidity, and weakness. I think he can grow both planks. Au contraire, I see him as a viable MODERATE candidate who is anti-establishment and can win the general election, unlike the recently failed establishment guys. I think Trump will have surprising crossover appeal to working class blacks, independents tired of the BS of both parties, and young millennials that like his celebrity and style. Trump will have a lockdown on working class whites, and hopefully there will be enough cuckservative Republicans who will hold their nose and pull the lever for him to avoid a Hillary or Biden presidency. That's the coalition I think Trump can form, and I have bets with you and Magox that this coalition will win. I'm not the only one who thinks he can win in the general, btw: Trump is a moderate liberal, who's using the opening in the GOP field to build his brand name. At a certain point, you and your ilk should hold him accountable for a position other than "I'm going to hire a bunch of smart people to fix the problem" Because I'm sure you've been told countless times, that was the platform of the current guy in the White House. How has that worked out for you?
Deranged Rhino Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 He calls it a post, she calls it a pin prick.
billsfan89 Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Immigration is a huge plank of his, no doubt. I think it accounts for about half of his 30%. The other half is a protest vote against the GOP's corruption, stupidity, and weakness. I think he can grow both planks. Au contraire, I see him as a viable MODERATE candidate who is anti-establishment and can win the general election, unlike the recently failed establishment guys. I think Trump will have surprising crossover appeal to working class blacks, independents tired of the BS of both parties, and young millennials that like his celebrity and style. Trump will have a lockdown on working class whites, and hopefully there will be enough cuckservative Republicans who will hold their nose and pull the lever for him to avoid a Hillary or Biden presidency. That's the coalition I think Trump can form, and I have bets with you and Magox that this coalition will win. I'm not the only one who thinks he can win in the general, btw: Millennials don't like Trumps style. An arrogant egomanic who runs around telling people how rich he is (Seriously real rich people don't go around shouting it, does Warren Buffet or Bill Gate do this) while wearing a God awful hairpiece and having tacky taste isn't appealing to young people. I will agree with you that Trump will have an appeal to some as a protest vote and the Republican base who support his immigration and some populist stances. But I think when you look at his actual platform and policy prescriptions (what little there is) the general electorate won't be buying in. I see Bernie Sanders as a bigger contender coming from the base of his party as he has a much more fleshed out platform people can actually stand or be against the merits of. Where as Trump is just marketing a brand and in a weak field coming in as an outsider is working.
Ozymandius Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 At a certain point, you and your ilk should hold him accountable for a position other than "I'm going to hire a bunch of smart people to fix the problem" I have no problem with him governing like a CEO, actually. That's how it should be done, and I like that he's campaigning like a CEO. For his immigration policy paper, he consulted with conservative immigration wonk Jeff Sessions. He's going to release his tax plan soon, and I'm sure he'll have consulted with some equivalent tax wonk. I like that. Speaking of being held accountable, though, at some point you cuckservatives need to hold the GOP establishment and political consulting class accountable for not trying to bridge this divide between base and party. No matter what candidate you support, the objective is to beat the Democrats. While I enjoy trading barbs with cuckservatives online, at some point it doesn't make sense for the GOP consultants and talking heads like George Will to be criticizing the base. There needs to be some mediation. Ironically, Trump, if he weren't running for president, would be able to see the angles to bridge the divide. He's the greatest negotiator in the history of mankind. But I think when you look at his actual platform and policy prescriptions (what little there is) the general electorate won't be buying in. I see Bernie Sanders as a bigger contender coming from the base of his party as he has a much more fleshed out platform people can actually stand or be against the merits of. Where as Trump is just marketing a brand and in a weak field coming in as an outsider is working. lol, Sanders will get crushed by Hillary's money or Biden's money (if the donors switch over to him). Sanders has no chance.
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I have no problem with him governing like a CEO, actually. That's how it should be done, and I like that he's campaigning like a CEO. For his immigration policy paper, he consulted with conservative immigration wonk Jeff Sessions. He's going to release his tax plan soon, and I'm sure he'll have consulted with some equivalent tax wonk. I like that. Speaking of being held accountable, though, at some point you cuckservatives need to hold the GOP establishment and political consulting class accountable for not trying to bridge this divide between base and party. No matter what candidate you support, the objective is to beat the Democrats. While I enjoy trading barbs with cuckservatives online, at some point it doesn't make sense for the GOP consultants and talking heads like George Will to be criticizing the base. There needs to be some mediation. Ironically, Trump, if he weren't running for president, would be able to see the angles to bridge the divide. He's the greatest negotiator in the history of mankind. ... the hell?
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7yU6QdiuYU That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and you're quoting it as stated fact.
GG Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I have no problem with him governing like a CEO, actually. That's how it should be done, and I like that he's campaigning like a CEO. For his immigration policy paper, he consulted with conservative immigration wonk Jeff Sessions. He's going to release his tax plan soon, and I'm sure he'll have consulted with some equivalent tax wonk. I like that. Speaking of being held accountable, though, at some point you cuckservatives need to hold the GOP establishment and political consulting class accountable for not trying to bridge this divide between base and party. No matter what candidate you support, the objective is to beat the Democrats. While I enjoy trading barbs with cuckservatives online, at some point it doesn't make sense for the GOP consultants and talking heads like George Will to be criticizing the base. There needs to be some mediation. Ironically, Trump, if he weren't running for president, would be able to see the angles to bridge the divide. He's the greatest negotiator in the history of mankind. Trump will get eaten alive by the DEM machine if he sniffs the GOP nomination. He's like the popular third string QB who pads his stats against third stringers in the fourth quarter. If you think the press are tough on him now wait until the regular season starts. And he's not governing like a CEO. He's governing like a make belief CEO, which the moron Apprentice watchers believe that's what a CEO acts like. Very few petulant egotist managers make it to the top, and Trump's had the benefit of daddy's money to launch his real estate empire. If a real CEO's plan was simply to hire smart people to do the work, then that CEO would quickly lose control. Oh wait, Trump did that. Must have been some great negotiator to get taken to cleaners by the creditors in the four bankruptcies and get fired from a company that bears his name.
IDBillzFan Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) I'm telling you right now, there is no more vitriolic bunch of people that are involved in the politics than this group. I understand the immigration issue is very important to you like gay marriage is to John Adams, but this comment is wrong. When tea party people start tweeting out home addresses for people show up at and harass the occupants...when they are setting up tents, destroying property, schitting on cop cars, forcing companies to close their businesses and start shooting cops...THEN we'll have this talk. But the far left is well-oiled, well-funded machine of death and destruction and to suggest the tea party is more vitriolic is beyond ridiculous. Edited August 24, 2015 by LABillzFan
Ozymandius Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 And he's not governing like a CEO. He's governing like a make belief CEO, which the moron Apprentice watchers believe that's what a CEO acts like. Very few petulant egotist managers make it to the top, and Trump's had the benefit of daddy's money to launch his real estate empire. If a real CEO's plan was simply to hire smart people to do the work, then that CEO would quickly lose control. Newsflash: the character he plays on TV isn't how he runs his own company. He clearly has his own vision as well but will hire and consult with the best to carry out that vision properly.
GG Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Newsflash: the character he plays on TV isn't how he runs his own company. He clearly has his own vision as well but will hire and consult with the best to carry out that vision properly. Exactly who is he going to hire to run a government behemoth? People who are versed in building commercial real estate properties? People who can run a golf course? He couldn't run a Fortune 100 company, let alone the US Government.
Magox Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I understand the immigration issue is very important to you like gay marriage is to John Adams, but this comment is wrong. When tea party people start tweeting out home addresses for people show up at and harass the occupants...when they are setting up tents, destroying property, schitting on cop cars, forcing companies to close their businesses and start shooting cops...THEN we'll have this talk. But the far left is well-oiled, well-funded machine of death and destruction and to suggest the tea party is more vitriolic is beyond ridiculous. No, man. I don't know how many articles everyone else reads regarding politics, but I do a **** load. And there is no group more hate-filled and vitriolic then these folks. Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of vitriol out there, but these guys are the cream of the crop when it comes to this. I read the comments every day. I really began to notice the hate within these people during the immigration debate. The group that you are referring to are anarchists, I don't consider those anyone part of any political group, and they certainly aren't ones that are posting comments in the political comments section. Don't confuse uncouth miscreants with law-abiding people who harbor hate. And I didn't say the "tea party", I inferred the portion of the tea party that is obsessed with the immigration issues. I don't consider these folks true tea party people, what was the motivating force of the Tea party, LA? Remember??? Taxed Enough Already The Tea Party was most relevant and viewed with higher favorability when they stuck to the economic issues. Unfortunately for the tea party, it was hijacked by other groups, like the anti immigration and social issues voters. That was not what the Tea party was about, we spoke about that here on this board.
Ozymandius Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Exactly who is he going to hire to run a government behemoth? People who are versed in building commercial real estate properties? People who can run a golf course? He couldn't run a Fortune 100 company, let alone the US Government. Lame. He'll find the appropriate people. He found Chuck Laudner to run his Iowa campaign, despite never running for office before. Laudner was widely credited with winning Iowa for Santorum. He found Jeff Sessions to help with the immigration paper. Trump's already networked into that world, and it will continue to grow. I assume if he's the GOP nominee, the the Party will provide candidates as well for Mr. Trump to interview.
Magox Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) LA, you want to see what I'm talking about? I went to THEHILL and looked for the very first article I saw with Jeb Bush in it. As I knew that would attract these hate mongers. Here you go: So Jeb is going to pay homage to the sacred ground in Texas where his wife gave birth to their anchor baby son? I think I feel a tear forming.................... Jebby is going to bring the illegal alien invaders some tacos, warm blankets and cocoa. He wants to open the border permanently so we don't have to keep arguing about the illegals. Bush is like a parasite that shows up to barter for the scraps the Trump alpha male wolf left behind. maggots take great offense to that Jen.................. What's Jebbie going to do down there? Hug and kiss the illegals and compliment them on committing acts of "love" when they violate our laws? This privileged turd has zero credibility except among the open-borders La Raza crowd. He's going nowhere in this election. Jebito Pedro Bush will pose with Anchor Babies. Jeb! Bush is unbearable. Please leave us alone. This pathetic man and his family need to leave us alone. Trump should keep making fun of him. It's nice to see a real leader stick it to El Jeb! Jeb can move to Mexico and run for President there. He'd be a good fit. Jebito's wife can clean the toilets and mow the lawns. She does jobs Americans won't do. He and the Pope will make burritos with Jeb's wife and then sing, " Let their peace on earth." IF there is a god then the Pope, Bush,Rubio, Deblassio and Gutierrez will all go to the border together and they will be kidnapped by the Cartel. Then Obama will do what we did for our Marine who sat in a Mexican prison for almost a year..............NOTHING. These were just some of the first few comments and to be honest, this is relatively tame compared to the comments I typically read. It's bad. Sometimes, I literally see thousands of these sort of comments, back to back to back. I remember one time when Rubio was crafting this legislation, I read it with complete dismay, there literally was over 500 straight comments, every single one of them was filled with this sort of garbage. When someone makes reference to African Americans eating Watermelons as a way to deride them, that is seen as pretty racist, right? The comments up above is exactly the same thing. Like I said, it's nothing new, par for the course. There is a good 5% of the population that are filled with xenophobes, and they are hate-filled. This is more than just anecdotal when you read thousands and thousands of these sort of comments over the last couple years. Plus, the very fact that when Trump initially said that the illegals that come here from Mexico, that most of them are rapists and murders and that he "supposes" some are good, and that ended up being what really kick started things off for him, speaks volumes. These people, I'm not aligned with them. Edited August 24, 2015 by Magox
meazza Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Lame. He'll find the appropriate people. He found Chuck Laudner to run his Iowa campaign, despite never running for office before. Laudner was widely credited with winning Iowa for Santorum. He found Jeff Sessions to help with the immigration paper. Trump's already networked into that world, and it will continue to grow. I assume if he's the GOP nominee, the the Party will provide candidates as well for Mr. Trump to interview. And who will he hire for the genocide?
3rdnlng Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 No, man. I don't know how many articles everyone else reads regarding politics, but I do a **** load. And there is no group more hate-filled and vitriolic then these folks. Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of vitriol out there, but these guys are the cream of the crop when it comes to this. I read the comments every day. I really began to notice the hate within these people during the immigration debate. The group that you are referring to are anarchists, I don't consider those anyone part of any political group, and they certainly aren't ones that are posting comments in the political comments section. Don't confuse uncouth miscreants with law-abiding people who harbor hate. And I didn't say the "tea party", I inferred the portion of the tea party that is obsessed with the immigration issues. I don't consider these folks true tea party people, what was the motivating force of the Tea party, LA? Remember??? Taxed Enough Already The Tea Party was most relevant and viewed with higher favorability when they stuck to the economic issues. Unfortunately for the tea party, it was hijacked by other groups, like the anti immigration and social issues voters. That was not what the Tea party was about, we spoke about that here on this board. I don't recall any of the many Tea Parties being hijacked by anti immigration or social issues people. I recall the left trying to paint them with those characteristics along with racism.
Ozymandius Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 And who will he hire for the genocide? The Germans love him. He's got great relationships with the Germans. They buy his apartments. But they're killing us in trade.
GG Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 The Germans love him. He's got great relationships with the Germans. They buy his apartments. But they're killing us in trade. Yet our economy grew faster than theirs. Imagine that.
Magox Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 The Germans love him. He's got great relationships with the Germans. They buy his apartments. But they're killing us in trade. You are even beginning to sound like him.
Magox Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) I don't recall any of the many Tea Parties being hijacked by anti immigration or social issues people. I recall the left trying to paint them with those characteristics along with racism. You haven't? Really? take a look here , here and here The evidence is clear, back when the Tea Party was just getting started economic issues is what mattered most. That is no longer the case, according to polling. And when I say hijacked, I mean that the group is no longer about mainly economics, gov. overreach and debt, the group now represent a whole myriad of causes. Social issues and immigration being the dominant ones. Which is why their favorability has dropped off significantly. I always have said, when Repubs stick to Gov. overreach, debt and economics, they win. When they deviate, they lose. Edited August 24, 2015 by Magox
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