Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 The level of Stewart's influence says more about the state of corporate media in our country than it does about Stewart using his program as an activist platform. He's a comedian who runs a comedy show. Its niche is to mock the declining state of journalism and the ****-show known as American politics. That doesn't make him profound, it makes him smart. Stewart has never, ever, claimed to be impartial. He's a comedian and a liberal and says both whenever he's given the opportunity. Maybe, but let's not pretend that Stewart believes that he is only a comedian and that he doesn't realize that what he says helps shape his viewers opinions.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Walker's Foreign Policy Guru called for Nuking Muslim countries and mass Deportations: At an event earlier this month to formally launch his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker cited a man in the crowd named Kevin Hermening as a formative influence on his foreign policy thinking. Hermening, a former U.S. Marine who was held hostage during the 1979 Iranian revolution, is a longtime friend of Walker, and has been described in press reports as “the face of Walker’s foreign policy.” The governor has repeatedly cited Hermening as a major influence on his worldview, including his opposition to the Obama administration’s recent nuclear deal with Iran. But Walker’s choice of Hermening as a foreign policy counselor raises serious questions about Walker’s understanding of the issues. Hermening has publicly advocated conducting nuclear strikes against the capital cities of Muslim-majority countries, as well as the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants, particularly those of “Middle Eastern descent” from the United States. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/28/scott-walkers-foreign-policy-advisor-called-nuking-muslim-countries-mass-deportations/
GG Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Both Fox News and Stewart state that they are non-partisan, though. From that standpoint, they are both dishonest. Again, you have to separate the news programs from the loud punditry on that network.
Ozymandius Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Stewart has never, ever, claimed to be impartial. He's a comedian and a liberal and says both whenever he's given the opportunity. lol, seriously? what's our bet going to be?
Joe Miner Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 The level of Stewart's influence says more about the state of corporate media in our country than it does about Stewart using his program as an activist platform. He's a comedian who runs a comedy show. Its niche is to mock the declining state of journalism and the ****-show known as American politics. That doesn't make him profound, it makes him smart. Stewart has never, ever, claimed to be impartial. He's a comedian and a liberal and says both whenever he's given the opportunity. http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/07/jon-stewarts-secret-white-house-visits-000178
keepthefaith Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 The Governors on the GOP side along with Carly should have the upper hand in the debates against Trump. They can all make him small given that they have run enterprises much larger than his and they are also not part of the Washington establishment (although Kasich spent time there). Trump's messages are long on emotion but shorter on substance than I would expect from him. A businessman should be accustomed to speaking more with numbers and facts but so far Trump has been more bluster than hard core data. The takeaway for the others, though, should be that a lot of people want to see some fire, toughness and plain talk from their candidate.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Maybe, but let's not pretend that Stewart believes that he is only a comedian and that he doesn't realize that what he says helps shape his viewers opinions. You're conflating two different things into one to form your opinion. He is no doubt aware of the amount of influence his show has on (particularly) college age people. He's also no doubt aware that for almost half a decade his show ran before a Crank Yankers -- a show with cursing puppets -- at 11pm at night. It only became a "platform" because of the state of American politics and our media. Every comedian -- correction, every good comedian -- works from a place of passion. Stewart's passion is clearly in the political realm -- like Carlin's was. Carlin was undoubtedly more liberal, more of an activist, and put more political messages into his sets than Stewart does in one episode of the Daily Show. That's the comedian's job. Still doesn't make him anything more than a comedian with a show that skewers politics and the corporate media. lol, seriously? what's our bet going to be? I can link hundreds of articles, interviews and clips from the daily show where he says outright he's a liberal. He doesn't pretend to be impartial, he's a comedian. Being partial is where the jokes come from.
GG Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 You're conflating two different things into one to form your opinion. He is no doubt aware of the amount of influence his show has on (particularly) college age people. He's also no doubt aware that for almost half a decade his show ran before a Crank Yankers -- a show with cursing puppets -- at 11pm at night. It only became a "platform" because of the state of American politics and our media. Every comedian -- correction, every good comedian -- works from a place of passion. Stewart's passion is clearly in the political realm -- like Carlin's was. Carlin was undoubtedly more liberal, more of an activist, and put more political messages into his sets than Stewart does in one episode of the Daily Show. That's the comedian's job. Still doesn't make him anything more than a comedian with a show that skewers politics and the corporate media. Here's a favorable review that makes no bones of exactly what Stewart has done over the last decade. If Stewart's job is to bring ALL media and corporatism to task, he's certainly focused on one side more than another. But then again, if he was an equal opportunity offender, he wouldn't be the toast of the town.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Here's a favorable review that makes no bones of exactly what Stewart has done over the last decade. If Stewart's job is to bring ALL media and corporatism to task, he's certainly focused on one side more than another. But then again, if he was an equal opportunity offender, he wouldn't be the toast of the town. What are we arguing now? I'm saying Stewart is NOT impartial. He's a liberal, admits he's a liberal, with a comedy show. His job isn't to be impartial, it's to get laughs.
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 You're conflating two different things into one to form your opinion. He is no doubt aware of the amount of influence his show has on (particularly) college age people. He's also no doubt aware that for almost half a decade his show ran before a Crank Yankers -- a show with cursing puppets -- at 11pm at night. It only became a "platform" because of the state of American politics and our media. Every comedian -- correction, every good comedian -- works from a place of passion. Stewart's passion is clearly in the political realm -- like Carlin's was. Carlin was undoubtedly more liberal, more of an activist, and put more political messages into his sets than Stewart does in one episode of the Daily Show. That's the comedian's job. Still doesn't make him anything more than a comedian with a show that skewers politics and the corporate media. I can link hundreds of articles, interviews and clips from the daily show where he says outright he's a liberal. He doesn't pretend to be impartial, he's a comedian. Being partial is where the jokes come from. I'm not conflating anything, you're the one who believes that Stewart is only a comedian. Most of us know better. What are we arguing now? I'm saying Stewart is NOT impartial. He's a liberal, admits he's a liberal, with a comedy show. His job isn't to be impartial, it's to get laughs. He also purposely shapes opinions. But you don't see that.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 I'm not conflating anything, you're the one who believes that Stewart is only a comedian. Most of us know better. He also purposely shapes opinions. But you don't see that. WTF are you talking about? Of course he shapes opinions, that's what comedians do... Why else are they performing comedy for audiences if not to shape opinions and get laughs? John Stewart is funny as hell but make no mistake, he is for Liberals as what Fox is for Republicans, a cheerleader for the party and causes he supports. Except Fox pretends to be a news channel while Stewart unabashedly remains a comedian hosting a comedy program. This is my point... comparing him to Fox news is not accurate. Fox news pretends to be a news program, thus are supposed to be impartial when they are not. Stewart, a comedian with a comedy show, does not have any requirement to remain impartial, in fact it's his job to do the opposite.
Ozymandius Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 I can link hundreds of articles, interviews and clips from the daily show where he says outright he's a liberal. He doesn't pretend to be impartial, he's a comedian. Being partial is where the jokes come from. Give me just one clip from the daily show where he states he's a liberal. Even if you can find it (which I doubt), it seems like he wasn't always that honest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jon-stewarts-progressive-legacy/2015/07/28/f6587a2a-34a5-11e5-adf6-7227f3b7b338_story.html Stewart still thought of himself as an impartial observer. “Join us in the center,” he said as the interview concluded. “That’s my movement.”
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Give me just one clip from the daily show where he states he's a liberal. Even if you can find it (which I doubt), it seems like he wasn't always that honest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jon-stewarts-progressive-legacy/2015/07/28/f6587a2a-34a5-11e5-adf6-7227f3b7b338_story.html That article shows what? That he's not a liberal? http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/gmgfdo/conservative-libertarian He calls himself a progressive. This is just the first clip I searched... You're wrong.
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) WTF are you talking about? Of course he shapes opinions, that's what comedians do... Why else are they performing comedy for audiences if not to shape opinions and get laughs? So let's revisit my original post. John Stewart is funny as hell but make no mistake, he is for Liberals as what Fox is for Republicans, a cheerleader for the party and causes he supports. He shapes opinions. Liberal opinions. He gets invited to the White House a few times to help push the president's policy proposals, and he obliges. Edited July 28, 2015 by Magox
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 So let's revisit my original post. He shapes opinions. Liberal opinions, such as climate change to just name one and there are many more. He gets invited to the White House a few times to help push the president's policy proposals, and he obliges. Your original post compared him to Fox news which is idiotic. Fox news has a responsibility to be impartial. Stewart (and comedy shows everywhere) do not. It's a poor analogy poorly used.
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Your original post compared him to Fox news which is idiotic. Fox news has a responsibility to be impartial. Stewart (and comedy shows everywhere) do not. It's a poor analogy poorly used. No, what's idiotic is that you are one of the many lemmings who believes that Jon Stewart is only a comedian.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 No, what's idiotic is that you are one of the many lemmings who believes that Jon Stewart is only a comedian. Holy **** you're dense.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Says the lemming. You're much more entertaining when you post as gator, FYI. Your "double dumb-ass on you" insults play much better.
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 You're much more entertaining when you post as gator, FYI. Your "double dumb-ass on you" insults play much better. And you are equaling as entertaining as posting as GreggyT the lemming.
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