Rob's House Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Sanders has no chance at the nomination. The enthusiasm is more a novelty than anything else, but won't translate into much. I don't know about that. Everybody wants to be into the new big thing.It's not just a way to pick your wadrobe anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Heh, heh, heh. N-no he ain't proved n-n-nothin' yet. Once those unfamiliar numbers translate to favorable, though, we'll see. I am not ruling him out. I don't know about that. Everybody wants to be into the new big thing.It's not just a way to pick your wadrobe anymore. If his appearance wasn't enough to sink his chances, when his opponents start telling people he's an admitted socialist, he's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 When people find out you pay into social security, you're an admitted socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 When people find out you pay into social security, you're an admitted socialist. Do you think people would pay into social security if they had a choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 People with foresight and hindsight would pay into Social Security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 People with foresight and hindsight would pay into Social Security. Not now they wouldn't. I'm not expecting it to be around when I'd be eligible to receive it, so I'm making alternate plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 People with foresight and hindsight would pay into Social Security.I get a much higher rate of return on money I invest myself. I'd have absolutely no reason to contribute to SS were it optional. And no, doing things you're compelled to do at the point of a gun doesn't make you a socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 I get a much higher rate of return on money I invest myself. I'd have absolutely no reason to contribute to SS were it optional. And no, doing things you're compelled to do at the point of a gun doesn't make you a socialist. But GOP voters very much support Socialist Security and Medicare, doesn't that make them socialists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 But GOP voters very much support Socialist Security and Medicare, doesn't that make them socialists? Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 Source? I don't need one, you know its true. I knew you couldn't face that obvious truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I don't need one, you know its true. I knew you couldn't face that obvious truth So you making **** up again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I don't need one, you know its true. I knew you couldn't face that obvious truthNo, you need one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) But GOP voters very much support Socialist Security and Medicare, doesn't that make them socialists? If the government set up national food distribution centers while simultaneously regulating the grocery stores out of the market, thus making people dependent on the government centers for food, would that mean the people now dependent on the centers are socialists if they don't want it to up and shut its doors overnight? Edited August 15, 2015 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 So you making **** up again? In your world I guess that isn't true, but yes, GOP voters are supports of government pensions and health care. Just like Iowa Conservatives support ethanol subsides. If the government set up national food distribution centers while simultaneously regulating the grocery stores out of the market, thus making people dependent on the government centers for food, would that mean the people now dependent on the centers are socialists if they don't want it to up and shut its doors overnight? There were no health super markets for the government to compete against when the government set of social security and Medicare. Your analogy is so weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 In your world I guess that isn't true, but yes, GOP voters are supports of government pensions and health care. Just like Iowa Conservatives support ethanol subsides. There were no health super markets for the government to compete against when the government set of social security and Medicare. Your analogy is so weak. You're a !@#$ing moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 In your world I guess that isn't true, but yes, GOP voters are supports of government pensions and health care. Just like Iowa Conservatives support ethanol subsides. There were no health super markets for the government to compete against when the government set of social security and Medicare. Your analogy is so weak. You miss the point, as always. Conservatives would rather have a choice on how their money is invested rather than pay the government "x" amount and have the government promise to give them money back. You see, you confuse our indignation with the left accusing us of wanting these programs as if they were "entitlement programs". We resent that. I worked 2/3 of my career on a 1099 basis and mostly paid the maximum in for what would normally be the employee share and employer share. So, if I don't cotton to threats of doing something negative to my Social Security benefits it's not because I'm a socialist, but because it's my !@#$ing money that was taken and I'll be lucky to get the face amount back, let alone the small fortune I could have turned it into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 You miss the point, as always. Conservatives would rather have a choice on how their money is invested rather than pay the government "x" amount and have the government promise to give them money back. You see, you confuse our indignation with the left accusing us of wanting these programs as if they were "entitlement programs". We resent that. I worked 2/3 of my career on a 1099 basis and mostly paid the maximum in for what would normally be the employee share and employer share. So, if I don't cotton to threats of doing something negative to my Social Security benefits it's not because I'm a socialist, but because it's my !@#$ing money that was taken and I'll be lucky to get the face amount back, let alone the small fortune I could have turned it into. Horse crap. Conservatives want all the programs they just want to belly ache about others getting government stuff also. None of the Republicans running are even talking at all about cutting Medicare or turning medicare over to a private system. For all the chest pounding, millions of poor old Conservatives would be dead now if not for the federal government providing them with health care. Look how much they screamed when Obama took billions out of the program for Obamacare. And how about veterans. For all the problems it has, the VA is not going anywhere. That's socialized medicine. And when it's overwhelmed we send more money there to fix it instead of calling on vets to man up and do the rugged individualistic thing and seek a free market solution to their health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Trump's Immigration Plan: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Trump's Immigration Plan: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform That's a de facto declaration of war on Mexico. That'll work well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Horse crap. Conservatives want all the programs they just want to belly ache about others getting government stuff also. None of the Republicans running are even talking at all about cutting Medicare or turning medicare over to a private system. For all the chest pounding, millions of poor old Conservatives would be dead now if not for the federal government providing them with health care. Look how much they screamed when Obama took billions out of the program for Obamacare. And how about veterans. For all the problems it has, the VA is not going anywhere. That's socialized medicine. And when it's overwhelmed we send more money there to fix it instead of calling on vets to man up and do the rugged individualistic thing and seek a free market solution to their health care. Do you think that the veteran earned VA benefits? Do you think that the retiree earned his Social Security benefits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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