Just Jack Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 And the one they interview? He's a Bills fan.... http://news.yahoo.com/us-soldiers-opposed-war-now-canada-less-hospitable-153458414.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 And the one they interview? He's a Bills fan.... http://news.yahoo.com/us-soldiers-opposed-war-now-canada-less-hospitable-153458414.html When Army Sgt. Patrick Hart decided a decade ago that he would not serve in the war in Iraq, he expected to follow the same path as thousands of American war resisters during the Vietnam era and take refuge across the border. Except that Vietnam war resistors were escaping the draft, and Hart served in an all-volunteer force. Comparing the two is the worst sort of bull ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Except that Vietnam war resistors were escaping the draft, and Hart served in an all-volunteer force. Comparing the two is the worst sort of bull ****. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 So Canada doesn't support deserters - eyh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I was trying to figure out if that was a Poz or a Spikes jersey. I have a Spikes jersey like that. But, it could be Poz ... Except that Vietnam war resistors were escaping the draft We need to bring the draft back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I was trying to figure out if that was a Poz or a Spikes jersey. I have a Spikes jersey like that. But, it could be Poz ... We need to bring the draft back. We do? Do you feel our current defenses are inadequate or that we should be invading someone big and need the headcount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 We do? Do you feel our current defenses are inadequate or that we should be invading someone big and need the headcount? He may have simply been pointing out the obvious that if we could do it all over again and go back to the draft......we wouldn't take Poz at all... beautiful hair notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 2 years? that's it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) We do? Do you feel our current defenses are inadequate or that we should be invading someone big and need the headcount? Our current defenses seem to be adequate, it's not that. With a draft everyone in America faces the possibility that if we go to war, they would have to go or their brother/sister/Mom/Dad/son/daughter/husband/wife etc. Now it's just a small minority of the population that has to worry about this. It's too easy to drum up war hoopla and support without everyone having a personal stake in it. If we had not had the draft in Viet Nam who knows how much longer it would have gone on? Not to mention now, our troops are serving 4 or 5 tours in Iraq/Afganistan. When we had a draft it was unusual for someone to do more than 2. Of course the Boeing, Bell Helicopter, and Northrup Grummonds of the world like it as is. Edited July 13, 2015 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Of course the Boeing, Bell Helicopter, and Northrup Grummonds of the world like it as is. Wouldn't they be even happier then, if the ranks of the military swelled due to a draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Wouldn't they be even happier then, if the ranks of the military swelled due to a draft? To a degree. The uniform makers and food and construction companies etc would. The defense contractors make the big money when they sell expensive armaments to the government which they then blow up and need to buy more. War is way more profitable than a bigger army in peace time. Edited July 13, 2015 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Our current defenses seem to be adequate, it's not that. With a draft everyone in America faces the possibility that if we go to war, they would have to go or their brother/sister/Mom/Dad/son/daughter/husband/wife etc. Now it's just a small minority of the population that has to worry about this. It's too easy to drum up war hoopla and support without everyone having a personal stake in it. If we had not had the draft in Viet Nam who knows how much longer it would have gone on? Not to mention now, our troops are serving 4 or 5 tours in Iraq/Afganistan. When we had a draft it was unusual for someone to do more than 2. Of course the Boeing, Bell Helicopter, and Northrup Grummonds of the world like it as is. "Adequate" based on what? You do realize that the lynchpin of US Defense is the carrier fleet...and in the event of a crisis, we couldn't even assign four in a given region? Or that the Army only has 33 BCTs, only a handful of which are combat-ready, and is about to cut about five more? Or that the Marines are short of equipment and personnel to the point that half the Marine Corps units are unready for deployment? Or that the Air Force is facing a severe constriction on flight operations due to operational budget cuts, maintenance being deferred and not performed, and the continued delay of next-generation "magic bullet" programs? Of course, you don't realize any of that. You don't even know that Bell Helicopter is no longer a company, and can't spell "Northrop-Grumman." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Our current defenses seem to be adequate, it's not that. With a draft everyone in America faces the possibility that if we go to war, they would have to go or their brother/sister/Mom/Dad/son/daughter/husband/wife etc. Now it's just a small minority of the population that has to worry about this. It's too easy to drum up war hoopla and support without everyone having a personal stake in it. If we had not had the draft in Viet Nam who knows how much longer it would have gone on? Not to mention now, our troops are serving 4 or 5 tours in Iraq/Afganistan. When we had a draft it was unusual for someone to do more than 2. Of course the Boeing, Bell Helicopter, and Northrup Grummonds of the world like it as is. Ooof. You shoulda went with the Poz thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Of course, you don't realize any of that. You don't even know that Bell Helicopter is no longer a company, and can't spell "Northrop-Grumman." I misspelled Northrop-Grumman, sue me. Bell Helicopter is no longer a company? Really? That's odd, because they're hiring https://textron.taleo.net/careersection/bell/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 To a degree. The uniform makers and food and construction companies etc would. The defense contractors make the big money when they sell expensive armaments to the government which they then blow up and need to buy more. War is way more profitable than a bigger army in peace time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I misspelled Northrop-Grumman, sue me. Bell Helicopter is no longer a company? Really? That's odd, because they're hiring https://textron.taleo.net/careersection/bell/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en. You failed to notice the site you linked to is for Textron? And you ignored the substantive portion of my post? Entirely unsurprising for someone who bitches about defense contractors but doesn't even know who they are or what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 You failed to notice the site you linked to is for Textron? Get technical why don't ya? They don't still make helicopters and weapons systems? Your statement might be right, but still doesn't negate my point? Surely you're not saying defense contractors do not have a vested interest in when the US goes to war, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Our current defenses seem to be adequate, it's not that. With a draft everyone in America faces the possibility that if we go to war, they would have to go or their brother/sister/Mom/Dad/son/daughter/husband/wife etc. Now it's just a small minority of the population that has to worry about this. It's too easy to drum up war hoopla and support without everyone having a personal stake in it. If we had not had the draft in Viet Nam who knows how much longer it would have gone on? Not to mention now, our troops are serving 4 or 5 tours in Iraq/Afganistan. When we had a draft it was unusual for someone to do more than 2. Of course the Boeing, Bell Helicopter, and Northrup Grummonds of the world like it as is. People who volunteer to serve in the military know what they are signing up for. The military, despite the long term benefits it confers on service men and women, is not a social program. It is the military. Edited July 13, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 People who volunteer to serve in the military know what they are signing up for. The military, despite the long term benefits it confers on service men and women, is not a social program. It is the military. No arguments here. But just because someone signs up for the military doesn't mean they should be deployed willy nilly in perpetual wars where we are not threatened. Leadership has the responsibility to use them wisely and only when needed IMHO. It's the Department of DEFENSE, not the Department of OFFENSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) No arguments here. But just because someone signs up for the military doesn't mean they should be deployed willy nilly in perpetual wars where we are not threatened. Leadership has the responsibility to use them wisely and only when needed IMHO. It's the Department of DEFENSE, not the Department of OFFENSE. We live in a world in which the reality is that there are individuals who wish to do us great harm, and have made that known to us in no uncertain terms. It would be irresponsible to sit back and wait for them to bloody us, given their stated intentions. In today's world, a foreign policy that projects our military might outward may well be the most wise policy. That aside, it is with those objectives that our military recruits. You've seen this, I presume? Edited July 13, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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