Gugny Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 I've heard 3 different versions. 1) that it originated with cockney rhyming slang, "cocked" = "knocked" 2) that it originated with early firearms, where the priming gunpowder needed to be touched off with a match, the firearm was loaded and "cold cocked", then fired 3) that it originated with rooster-fighting, where a "cold rooster" was "dead" You'd think it was synonymous with "nub."
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Yeah, I tend to be leary of anyone who starts a post with "He decked her because she..." I kind of go with what follows the phrase: "because she grabbed a claw hammer from her purse and raised her arm to swing at him" self defense, check "because she pulled a knife and threatened to stab him" self defense, check "because she knocked his sister down and was kicking her in the head" defense of family, similar, check. "because his lawyer says she called him a (slur) and she took a wild swing at him" ummmm, not so much, sorry, can't see it. Doesn't mean she was in the right or shouldn't be charged with crimes, just doesn't justify the response as "self defense"
Wayne Arnold Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 That's because some people mistake their feelings for thoughts. I know you're not referring to me. I have no feelings.
Rob's House Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 I know you're not referring to me. I have no feelings. You have no explanation either. Don't feel bad, no one does. Actually, I take that back. I do, but I want to see if anyone else can get there without my help.
Wayne Arnold Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 You have no explanation either. Don't feel bad, no one does. Actually, I take that back. I do, but I want to see if anyone else can get there without my help. Explanation for what?
Rob's House Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Explanation for what? Why you give a female more leniency than you would a similarly situated male.
Wayne Arnold Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Why you give a female more leniency than you would a similarly situated male. Well, first of all why would you assume that? Has there been another situation similar to this one where the victim was male and I did not defend him similarly? Secondly, thanks to the Violence Against Women Act of 1994, men and women are not always looked at as equals in the eyes of the law. I don't even think that applies in this case but that would be a reason for leniency in other similar cases.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Why you give a female more leniency than you would a similarly situated male. Because they are the "fairer" sex, dummy.
Rob's House Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Well, first of all why would you assume that? Has there been another situation similar to this one where the victim was male and I did not defend him similarly? Secondly, thanks to the Violence Against Women Act of 1994, men and women are not always looked at as equals in the eyes of the law. I don't even think that applies in this case but that would be a reason for leniency in other similar cases. I'm not asking for your opinion on what the state of the law is. I'm asking if you see a moral distinction between the leniency you allow a woman and that which you allow a similarly situated male, and if so why.
Wayne Arnold Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 I'm not asking for your opinion on what the state of the law is. I'm asking if you see a moral distinction between the leniency you allow a woman and that which you allow a similarly situated male, and if so why. I've intentionally kept away from the moral perspective in this thread because it's so relative and that's where the emotions come into play. If I was forced to answer your question I would say yes because men are generally bigger and stronger than women. But that isn't always the case so as always it should come down to contextual circumstances.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 In the opinion of the prosecutor, the drunkard committed no crime. "In the wide discretion of prosecutor Wille Meggs, those arguments have fallen flat. Via the Tallahassee Democrat, Meggs believes that Johnson initiated the contact with the woman, and that the woman was acting in self-defense. She will face no charges. “A person’s entitled to use self-defense if they’re being battered by someone else, and she certainly was entitled to do what she did,” Meggs said. “She didn’t commit a crime is the reason she’s not charged with a crime.”"
Wayne Arnold Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 In the opinion of the prosecutor, the drunkard committed no crime. "In the wide discretion of prosecutor Wille Meggs, those arguments have fallen flat. Via the Tallahassee Democrat, Meggs believes that Johnson initiated the contact with the woman, and that the woman was acting in self-defense. She will face no charges. “A person’s entitled to use self-defense if they’re being battered by someone else, and she certainly was entitled to do what she did,” Meggs said. “She didn’t commit a crime is the reason she’s not charged with a crime.”"
Jauronimo Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Its very rare for the prosecutor to side with the plaintiff. Pretty damning stuff, if you ask me.
Doc Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Doesn't mean much. The girl was never going to be charged.
ToGoGo Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Here's my take on the video: The vibe at the bar was perfectly fine before they walked into the frame. Blonde girl is clearly tipsy, Johnson actually looks sober. It's starting to get crowded and he's definitely pushing into her like she's not there. Having been in this situation many times before, I assure you that one thing I can't stand is when some a-hole behind you keeps pushing. She turns around and says something sassy. He says something back but at this point is waiting for the other girl to walk past so he can get the spot at the bar next to her. It's tight and the other girl is struggling to get through. He keeps pushing and suddenly the blonde snaps and turns around aggressively with her fist cocked, lunging forward and ready to go. I would argue the pointed thumb is not her pointing at the bartender, but simply how girls hold their fists (perhaps as a bluff). THIS is the moment everything escalated. It went from half-hearted passive-aggressive yapping to threatening a fight. His instinct is to grab her arm. I'd like to say I wouldn't have done that but watching the video from his perspective, her body language is very aggressive. I might have done the same. You can read her lips yelping out "HEYYYYY" in a drunk way as they struggle. She then kicks and gives a 50% effort punch. She's dragged him into a crappy situation. This is where he screws up. He hits her with full force then leaves really fast. He can't do that and having seen many guys being in similar situations, a strong push and a walk away is in order. Yeah, people might take that the wrong way and kick you out, but at least you can blame it on her and say you didn't hit her. So summary: She's drunk, he's probably not. He's being a bit of a d*ck pushing (but this is college, that's how it is sometimes). They yap pretty harmlessly. He keeps pushing while trying to squeeze in. She snaps and lunges forward aggressively with fist cocked. He grabs her hand. She kicks and punches. He nails her. Honestly, to me, it seems like unfortunate circumstances right until the end. He should have just pushed her strongly and walked away. That might've got him in trouble, but it's better than what he did. Entitled drunk girls are a way of life. You need to be smarter. I'd suspend him then give him another chance. You don't know where these kids come from and how they were raised. You're not recruiting them for academic reasons. I'd keep him on a tiny leash, but I'd give him another shot. But in 2015, race and gender PR is more important than doing the right thing. Edited July 9, 2015 by musichunch
John from Riverside Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 It would be interesting to know what he said to her when they were yapping........ Who actually touched who first? One thing is for sure....she will probably think twice about throwing a half hearted punch against some male she does not know.........my advice to her would be get the bartenders attention....I bet this place had some form of security.
Doc Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 It would be interesting to know what he said to her when they were yapping........ Who actually touched who first? One thing is for sure....she will probably think twice about throwing a half hearted punch against some male she does not know.........my advice to her would be get the bartenders attention....I bet this place had some form of security. I'm wondering why she felt she had the right to block his access to the open space to her left, to the point of getting into a fist-fight with him.
LB3 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Posted July 10, 2015 I'm wondering why she felt she had the right to block his access to the open space to her left, to the point of getting into a fist-fight with him. I found that weird too. What be did, putting his arm out to a section of the bar to hold his place, is a common move.
Doc Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 I found that weird too. What be did, putting his arm out to a section of the bar to hold his place, is a common move. It's clear that he's trying to get to that open space. He asks/tells the brunette girl to move and she does slightly and reaches for that open area of the bar, but she moves over slightly to block him and then gets all pissed.
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