C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 I'm wondering how a thin black dude and chubby blonde girl ever got into it in the first place. This might be the first documented instance of discord between the two camps. I don't think the tuck rule is applicable in US Courts, Matlock. Just saw this. haha. It'd be racist if it wasn't 100% true.
Cynical Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 I responded to you and your example. I don't care what he said outside of what you immediately responded to. There's your problem. In your example you framed "get off me you f@#$ing n@#$$" and cocking her first back, as "A informs B they were there first." Nope, the whole "sassy language" thing. I think your position is pretty clear based on that interpretation. My position was clear. I clearly asked for clarification. First line, right above my ridiculous example. When I objected, you accused me of absolving Johnson of his actions which is totally incorrect. Suggesting that she was the instigator does not absolve Johnson. Any attempt to read that in to my post is wrong. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Johnson is still in the wrong as he grabs her arm and helps to escalate the situation after she "informs [him] that she was there first". Johnson is in the wrong when he takes a step back to line that girl up which had everything to do with anger, in my opinion, and nothing to do with any particular fear for his safety. I have never stated or accused anybody of absolving Johnson of his actions. If you think I did, please show me. I absolutely agree with you that Johnson acted out of anger, and IMO, that anger was caused by the insult (or whatever she said to him). To clarify, IMO, the insult was the biggest factor that set him off. He's not reacting because she "barreled" into the guy on her right. He's not reacting because she moved to her left to "ensure contact". Interpretations like that are noise, and are nothing more than attempts to portray the girl as overly aggressive and trying to cause trouble. They have been drinking. There was some bumping and jostling. She said something pretty !@#$ing stupid. He reacted poorly. End of story.
Doc Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 There's your problem. Nope, the whole "sassy language" thing. My position was clear. I clearly asked for clarification. First line, right above my ridiculous example. I have never stated or accused anybody of absolving Johnson of his actions. If you think I did, please show me. I absolutely agree with you that Johnson acted out of anger, and IMO, that anger was caused by the insult (or whatever she said to him). To clarify, IMO, the insult was the biggest factor that set him off. He's not reacting because she "barreled" into the guy on her right. He's not reacting because she moved to her left to "ensure contact". Interpretations like that are noise, and are nothing more than attempts to portray the girl as overly aggressive and trying to cause trouble. They have been drinking. There was some bumping and jostling. She said something pretty !@#$ing stupid. He reacted poorly. End of story. No, the biggest factor that set him off was getting punched first. The insult obviously didn't help but didn't lead him to hit her back.
Jauronimo Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) There's your problem. Nope, the whole "sassy language" thing. My position was clear. I clearly asked for clarification. First line, right above my ridiculous example. I have never stated or accused anybody of absolving Johnson of his actions. If you think I did, please show me. I absolutely agree with you that Johnson acted out of anger, and IMO, that anger was caused by the insult (or whatever she said to him). To clarify, IMO, the insult was the biggest factor that set him off. He's not reacting because she "barreled" into the guy on her right. He's not reacting because she moved to her left to "ensure contact". Interpretations like that are noise, and are nothing more than attempts to portray the girl as overly aggressive and trying to cause trouble. They have been drinking. There was some bumping and jostling. She said something pretty !@#$ing stupid. He reacted poorly. End of story. Nice non-sequiturs up top. Dismissing a salient point as "nope, the whole sassy language thing" is some fine work. Once again, I do not care about every other exchange you've had on this topic prior to my involvement because I am responding solely to you and your very biased framing of events. What some other dude said has absolutely no bearing on our discussion. Writing off what actually happened as "A informs B that she was here first" at best demonstrates no understanding of events and at worst is a poor attempt to portray the girl as a damsel that got assaulted only because she was standing at the bar. Double down with that gibberish about sassy language and invoke what some other guy had to say about it again if you wish, because that seems to be all you've got going. She was overly aggressive. Any attempts to portray her as such are accurate. Dropping an N-bomb and cocking your fist back is a pretty f@#$ing aggressive way to respond to getting bumped into or jostled at a bar. Edited July 8, 2015 by Jauronimo
GG Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 I responded to you and your example. I don't care what he said outside of what you immediately responded to. In your example you framed "get off me you f@#$ing n@#$$" and cocking her first back, as "A informs B they were there first." I think your position is pretty clear based on that interpretation. When I objected, you accused me of absolving Johnson of his actions which is totally incorrect. Suggesting that she was the instigator does not absolve Johnson. Any attempt to read that in to my post is wrong. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Johnson is still in the wrong as he grabs her arm and helps to escalate the situation after she "informs [him] that she was there first". Johnson is in the wrong when he takes a step back to line that girl up which had everything to do with anger, in my opinion, and nothing to do with any particular fear for his safety. Nice to jump in the conversation in midstream and offer your Wednesday afternoon QBing. My response was to people who didn't see that she did anything wrong in the confrontation, while in my viewing the tape, she was clearly the aggressor. I made absolutely no excuse on whether he was justified to punch her. But to pretend that it was his actions solely that led to the escalation is ridiculous. He was actually trying to get past the girls on the left and in the process bumped into the blond. Watch her actions closely at 1:44-1:50. He's trying to get to the bar and she's the one who's moving into his side and then gets bent out of shape when he tries to saddle up to the bar. Watch her left leg move towards Johnson as he tries to get to the bar. She cocks her hand in a fighting stance. He then grabs her hand, after which she kicks him in the groin and then throws a punch with her left. That's why my attitude on this altercation turned 180 degrees after I watched it. She had a serious case of beer vagina on.
GG Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 Nice of you to fail to realize that I generally agree with your position. I took exception with cynical's framing of events. When cyncical replied with "but, but, but, but...GG said..." I answered that I do not care what you said, because I do not speak for you and the example he provided was poor in any context. Can no one read today? My bad, the reply was supposed to be for cynical. Hit the wrong post to quote. These darn mobile devices.
Roc Bronson Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 Raise your daughters to know if they hit someone they're likely to get hit back. Even if you subscribe to the theory that a vagina is a license to hit without being hit back, you have to admit it's a pretty stupid idea. Exactly! I mean he could have handles it a different way. I'm sure the both of them were pickled at the time. But I have to say this, she took that blow like a champ.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uyejJrugCc Pretty much as expected. If this video happened to Winston I very much doubt they kick him off the team. That's the sad part about this. It was a freshman, not a star player. Hell, the Tallahasee police or paper probably wouldn't even have shown the video if it were Winston.
John from Riverside Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 That's kinda my point John. Is Rousey allowed to hit a man & not get a consequence? Because you're right, she would probably knock that guy out. This kid did one of the lowest things possible and he got a very severe consequence. As he should. But this girl threw a punch and got nothing. And I'm guessing it's not her first time doing it. As a man if you throw a punch, you should be prepared for a punch back. But a woman shouldn't be allowed to assault a man either. If he walks away after she hits him, does she face a consequence? I'm guessing no and that's not right either. But here is the thing Biscuit..... You would probably NEVER see Rousey hit someone outside of the gym or the octogon......because she realizes just how much damage she could actually cause and how much trouble she would get into for causing it...... In a way.....Rousey is the QB in this situation.......representing a sport that is popular but violent.......putting the good face forward to the public. There is a lesson for the blonde girl here though......instead of trying to hit a dude that has you by the wrist......tell the bartenders and let them get security there to take care of it.
Big Turk Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) She was overly aggressive. Any attempts to portray her as such are accurate. Dropping an N-bomb and cocking your fist back is a pretty f@#$ing aggressive way to respond to getting bumped into or jostled at a bar. Yeah, I mean I'm told on a regular basis I'm built like a linebacker, am quite muscular and quite aggressive at times due to high levels of Testosterone, but I've never responded in that way to getting bumped at a bar by someone before. Partly because I realize the other person is probably drunk, partly because I've got too much to lose by doing so, and partly because it's just not worth it to go to jail for letting off some steam over nothing really... So I would have to say that the girl was acting quite aggressively. Edited July 9, 2015 by matter2003
Gugny Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 She was overly aggressive. Any attempts to portray her as such are accurate. Dropping an N-bomb and cocking your fist back is a pretty f@#$ing aggressive way to respond to getting bumped into or jostled at a bar. I agree. But anyone who thinks her behavior warrants a punch in the face by a semi-professional football player was either brought up by an idiot, or ignored a good upbringing and became an idiot.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Just fwiw, has there been any other source besides the moron's lawyer who said the drunk girl dropped the N-bomb? I would never believe a lawyer right off the bat on something like that.
Wayne Arnold Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Just fwiw, has there been any other source besides the moron's lawyer who said the drunk girl dropped the N-bomb? I would never believe a lawyer right off the bat on something like that. No. It's sad that people in this thread are using his lawyer's claims as a fact to make the victim look like she deserved what she got but not at all surprising.
GG Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 No. It's sad that people in this thread are using his lawyer's claims as a fact to make the victim look like she deserved what she got but not at all surprising. Point to one post on this thread where someone said that she deserved what she got
YoloinOhio Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 No. It's sad that people in this thread are using his lawyer's claims as a fact to make the victim look like she deserved what she got but not at all surprising. i didn't see anyone say that in this thread?
Wayne Arnold Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 i didn't see anyone say that in this thread? Point to one post on this thread where someone said that she deserved what she got Do we have to be so literal? Let's not be naive here. There is a whole lotta 'she had it comin to her' mentality in this thread.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Do we have to be so literal? Let's not be naive here. There is a whole lotta 'she had it comin to her' mentality in this thread. I see a whole lotta 'she isn't without guilt in this situation' in this thread.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 That's why my attitude on this altercation turned 180 degrees after I watched it. She had a serious case of beer vagina on. ??
GG Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 ?? What's the gender appropriate term for beer balls? Do we have to be so literal? Let's not be naive here. There is a whole lotta 'she had it comin to her' mentality in this thread. Yes we do have to be literal, because not a single person excused the punch. But if Johnson stopped at the point of holding her wrist and then just pushed her away after she kneed and hit him, he'd be fine, and everyone would be talking about her being the instigator.
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