metzelaars_lives Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) Sarcasm off: I don't think there are three teams in the AFC that have a better chance of reaching the Super Bowl this year than the Bills. Sarcasm back on: This silly sportswriter clearly doesn't get it ranking Matt Cassel last- winning the job over EJ Manuel- and Ryan Tannehill 14th?!? I come on this website fairly often and my understanding was that EJ Manuel was actually better than Ryan Tannehill right now. Edited July 5, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
Buftex Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 Sarcasm off: I don't think there are three teams in the AFC that have a better chance of reaching the Super Bowl this year than the Bills. Sarcasm back on: This silly sportswriter clearly doesn't get it ranking Matt Cassel last- winning the job over EJ Manuel- and Ryan Tannehill 14th?!? I come on this website fairly often and my understanding was that EJ Manuel was actually better than Ryan Tannehill right now. So you don't think EJ is any good? It is hard to know where you stand on this issue....
machine gun kelly Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 I think the AFC east is trending toward one of the most competitive divisions. 3and12- I agree. The Dolphins upgraded in many ways, you would expect the Pats took a step back at least if Brady is out for four games and they lost their DB's. I know Bowles did a great job as a DC, but that doesn't mean he is a head coach. I can see the Jets improving, but don't think they are a playoff caliber team yet. I could see the AFC East doing what the AFC North did last year which is take both Wildcard spots as well as the division winner. We also have the AFC South which is still a weak division, and the NFC East. The cowboys did not effectively replace Murray, I'm not buying what the Eagles are doing, and the Redskins suck. The Giants are an 8-8 team.
BreezeMafia Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 3and12- I agree. The Dolphins upgraded in many ways, you would expect the Pats took a step back at least if Brady is out for four games and they lost their DB's. I know Bowles did a great job as a DC, but that doesn't mean he is a head coach. I can see the Jets improving, but don't think they are a playoff caliber team yet. I could see the AFC East doing what the AFC North did last year which is take both Wildcard spots as well as the division winner. We also have the AFC South which is still a weak division, and the NFC East. The cowboys did not effectively replace Murray, I'm not buying what the Eagles are doing, and the Redskins suck. The Giants are an 8-8 team. Regarding the Eagles, I live here in Philly and very much agree with your comment
YoloinOhio Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 Regarding the Eagles, I live here in Philly and very much agree with your commenti think Philly's season will depend on the QB and OL, both are kind of in limbo. Chip has only won with Foles and the OL is shaken up.
3rdand12 Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 3and12- I agree. The Dolphins upgraded in many ways, you would expect the Pats took a step back at least if Brady is out for four games and they lost their DB's. I know Bowles did a great job as a DC, but that doesn't mean he is a head coach. I can see the Jets improving, but don't think they are a playoff caliber team yet. I could see the AFC East doing what the AFC North did last year which is take both Wildcard spots as well as the division winner. We also have the AFC South which is still a weak division, and the NFC East. The cowboys did not effectively replace Murray, I'm not buying what the Eagles are doing, and the Redskins suck. The Giants are an 8-8 team. I think the Jets are a major force on defense and might have an offense similar to ours , hoping the QB can manage the game, in coaching i think they at least have fresh start and should find their footing as the season goes on, or next year even. Pats are on the descent, Brady or no Brady. Dolphins threw a ton of money at the team last year and that did not work out. But I think the might be able to break even and stay in games late in the season. and they might be getting on track with coaching. fresh start too. Imo
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 So you don't think EJ is any good? It is hard to know where you stand on this issue.... :worthy: I don't understand how Geno is constantly rated better than EJ. O.o To quote Ron White - You can't fix stupid!! unless you count passing yards only - Gino is NOT better than EJ.
metzelaars_lives Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 So you don't think EJ is any good? It is hard to know where you stand on this issue.... Based on what he's shown thus far, I don't think it's wrong of this sportswriter to assume Matt Cassel will win the job, nor to have the Bills' QB situation ranked at the bottom of the league. I think you could make an argument that Cassel/Manuel be ranked ahead of maybe the Browns and possibly the Jets but that's about it. Yet just the other day, Gugny along with a sizeable entourage in the shoutbox were insisting that EJ Manuel is already better than Ryan Tannehill right now. Not "I'd take Manuel over Tannehill because I still believe in his tools and his upside and I think Tannehill may be closer to his ceiling" (which would also be ridiculous) but that as we stand here today, Manuel has already proven himself to be better. I have a hard time not arguing with people when they express absurd opinions. I always have. Where do you stand on that issue anyway?
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 He's made more plays & shown flashes. Geno makes some plays & some mistakes. I have no issues with the list. some mistakes? 21 INT's in '13 and 13 in '14? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitGe00.htm
metzelaars_lives Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) :worthy: To quote Ron White - You can't fix stupid!! unless you count passing yards only - Gino is NOT better than EJ. A few things here. Number one, alright with the emoticons. We're adults here. Buftex politely questioning my stance on EJ did not warrant two emoticon men bowing down in praise. Also, with all due respect, how can you call someone else stupid beyond all repair for saying he thinks Geno Smith might be better than EJ Manuel (that's like saying you think you'd rather drown than burn to death) when you yourself have stated within the last two weeks on this very website that the Bills would've gone 12-4 last year had they not benched Manuel and that you wouldn't take Andrew Luck in your top 5 QB's to build a team around? How was your 4th by the way? Edited July 5, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
GunnerBill Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 Ha, I think Mr. Weo is joking, but you are serious. In case you are serious, casinos in Vegas have different hold percentages on futures bets, with Caesars having one of the highest across all sports (high hold = bad for bettor). Take a look here: http://www.bettingtalk.com/hold-percentages/ So that is why I said don't bet futures at Caesars at all, not don't bet on the Bills at Caesars. Fair enough if you were talking about not betting at Caesar's in generality but that was not apparent from your initial post, it read like you were linking the Bills' odds with your statement not to bet futures at Caesar's. As for the first bit, yes, I know all that. Believe me I know how the bookmaker business works. However, even with Caesar's high holds the Bills are not in to 7/1 4th favourite in the AFC without them taking money on it.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) A few things here. Number one, alright with the emoticons. We're adults here. A few things here..... I didn't know emoticons offend you so. I guess I'll just have to type out - Now That was Funny! Yes. Lets be adults. Have I not asked that of you half a dozen times? WRT being an adult - Look who tosses out insults and snide remarks about other peoples intelligence. Oh sure I call out people for trolling, byt that is far from what you do when others do not agree with you. And any rational person would say that Geno Smith is NOT better than EJ when you see that Geno has 25 TD's and 34 INT's in 2 seasons. Than sir is not a very good benchmark. BTW you omitted to criticize Buftex for his use of emoticons (and everyone else who does) Edited July 5, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
BarleyNY Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 If the Bills had a better situation at QB I could understand this. I agree.
metzelaars_lives Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) A few things here..... I didn't know emoticons offend you so. I guess I'll just have to type out - Now That was Funny! Yes. Lets be adults. Have I not asked that of you half a dozen times? WRT being an adult - Look who tosses out insults and snide remarks about other peoples intelligence. Oh sure I call out people for trolling, byt that is far from what you do when others do not agree with you. And any rational person would say that Geno Smith is NOT better than EJ when you see that Geno has 25 TD's and 34 INT's in 2 seasons. Than sir is not a very good benchmark. BTW you omitted to criticize Buftex for his use of emoticons (and everyone else who does) Although I choose not to use emoticons, I am not offended by them in all situations. I just said that I thought your use of the guys bowing down in praise was a little much. You accuse people of trolling. "Calling out" would intimate that they are actually trolling. You say this about someone every time they disagree with you. If I were your agent, I would probably tell you to just stop using the word "trolling" altogether. As far as EJ Manuel vs. Geno Smith, the bottom line is that nobody cares. If you were at a dinner party in Chicago or Louisville or Boise and someone started an EJ Manuel vs. Geno Smith debate, the guests would start filtering out the door immediately. They have both sucked so far. You say Manuel is better? Sure, OK. It's close, I'll tell you that much. It is not controversial to say that either of them is better or worse. You certainly can't use the "well we haven't seen nearly enough of Manuel" argument and then tell me that you've seen enough of Geno Smith to tell me he sucks. Geno Smith has shown some higher highs and some lower lows. Which is to be expected being that he actually throws the ball downfield from time to time. Geno Smith's coaches, who watch him play in practice every day, have exhibited more confidence in him than Bills' coaches have in Manuel, that's for sure. Either way you can't call someone stupid for thinking that Geno Smith is a little better than EJ Manuel. They're about the same. Edited July 5, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
GunnerBill Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 Which is to be expected being that he actually throws the ball downfield from time to time. But you can't call someone stupid for thinking that Geno Smith is a little better than EJ Manuel. They're about the same. Actually I don't agree with that. I have been on a limb on Geno for quite some time. I don't think he has the mental aptitude to play the position, his propensity to make bad decisions is I would argue the highest of any starting Quarterback or even potential starting Quarterback in the National Football League this season. I said this throughout his senior year at West Virginia and I have seen nothing at all in the pros to change my mind. He sucks people in because he has a very smooth, natural throwing motion and so you think "if I can just get this kid to make the right decisions." But you won't. I wouldn't call someone "stupid" for thinking Geno is better, because I don't go in for personal insults, but I simply can find no evidence to make me agree with it. That isn't me acting as an advocate for EJ -the odds on his having the skills to play the position are pretty firmly against at this point as well - it is just I was low on Geno for a long time before the draft, during the the process and since he has been the NFL. My prediction is Geno benched for Fitzpatrick by week 5. And he, I am sad to say because we chase him out of town, is better than both at this point.
metzelaars_lives Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) Actually I don't agree with that. I have been on a limb on Geno for quite some time. I don't think he has the mental aptitude to play the position, his propensity to make bad decisions is I would argue the highest of any starting Quarterback or even potential starting Quarterback in the National Football League this season. I said this throughout his senior year at West Virginia and I have seen nothing at all in the pros to change my mind. He sucks people in because he has a very smooth, natural throwing motion and so you think "if I can just get this kid to make the right decisions." But you won't. I wouldn't call someone "stupid" for thinking Geno is better, because I don't go in for personal insults, but I simply can find no evidence to make me agree with it. That isn't me acting as an advocate for EJ -the odds on his having the skills to play the position are pretty firmly against at this point as well - it is just I was low on Geno for a long time before the draft, during the the process and since he has been the NFL. My prediction is Geno benched for Fitzpatrick by week 5. And he, I am sad to say because we chase him out of town, is better than both at this point. Of course Fitzpatrick is better than both. I have little doubt the Bills would've made the playoffs last year with Fitzpatrick. And sure, that's fair: you have little faith in either but even less in Geno Smith. I wouldn't argue that. I would mention that people have seen Smith suck more because he's played more. Manuel was benched so he was spared from sucking all season and then people assume he magically would've improved while he was on the bench and Smith continued to suck. But anyway I wouldn't be surprised if Fitzpatrick starts the season. Edited July 5, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
GunnerBill Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 And sure, that's fair: you have little faith in either but even less precisely none in Geno Smith. That is about an accurate assessment of my view. No player in the NFL has the possibility of leaving me with as much egg on my face as Geno Smith because I have been so entrenched in my view for so long and in some many searchable places on the internet, but it is purely based on what I see.
Kirby Jackson Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 some mistakes? 21 INT's in '13 and 13 in '14? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitGe00.htm OMG, I've never seen Geno Smith's stats before!! This changes everything (sarcasm font)!! I never once said that he was good. I said that it isn't crazy at all at this point to think that he is better than EJ as MMQB has them ranked. That could certainly change and it could certainly not.
nucci Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 some mistakes? 21 INT's in '13 and 13 in '14? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitGe00.htm Stats aside and this may not be the best evaluator but Smith plays while EJ has been on the bench. I believe EJ is better but until he wins the starting job and starts to show it, hard to say Manuel is better.
metzelaars_lives Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 Stats aside and this may not be the best evaluator but Smith plays while EJ has been on the bench. I believe EJ is better but until he wins the starting job and starts to show it, hard to say Manuel is better.Exactly.
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