atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 In fairness to Wilson, he did rush for more yards than all but 14 running backs last season (he also rushed for 6 TDs), in addition to throwing for a career-best 3,475 yards with 20 TDs and a career-low 7 INTs, and that was with a pretty suspect OL. He's very, very good. He is good. But he is not who i would look to to start a franchise with. His rushing is nice but as the NFL has shown rushing for a QB is not something that can be done very long. I also factored in that if he was your starting QB that you started your franchise with you would have to pay him accordingly. Therefore your D will suffer some for sure.
metzelaars_lives Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 He is good. But he is not who i would look to to start a franchise with. His rushing is nice but as the NFL has shown rushing for a QB is not something that can be done very long. I also factored in that if he was your starting QB that you started your franchise with you would have to pay him accordingly. Therefore your D will suffer some for sure. ? Not sure what you mean by that. So you are saying that you aren't necessarily picking the top 5 best but the 5 that are good but won't command top dollar? Every guy you selected is/will be a $20 million/year QB.
metzelaars_lives Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 It is clear. Clearly f@#$ing insane. This is the first documented instance where a comparison to Peyton Manning was used as a criticism. You have a list of guys like Flacco, Ryan, and Roethlisberger who failed to advance as far in the playoffs as Luck or even make it to post season play and your criticism is that Luck is a young Peyton Manning (a first ballot hall of famer) who lost in the AFC Championship game and thats a bad thing. Saying you wouldn't take Andrew Luck would be like if Connor McDavid, the only other guy I can compare Luck to in terms of sure things, came out and after three seasons he was every bit as good as advertised, was already a top 5 centre in the game but had only taken the Oilers to the conference finals, saying, "Nope, sorry, I'd take Patrick Sharp over him. He's won cups. McDavid can only take you so far. Plus, I don't like guys whose game is too focused around 'scoring' and 'skating.' Oh yeah and I'd also take Claude Giroux over him. He's not as good, he's a lot older and hasn't won a cup either." And then when enough people start questioning you about it, you magically disappear and go do the same thing in another thread. The question must be asked, are we getting crayonz'd by this guy??
GunnerBill Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I think the conclusion of this thread is that Rodgers and Luck are all but unanimous picks. The overwhelming majority have Wilson in too. Then some still like their older guys: Brady, Big Ben, Rivers, Brees. Most like at least two of the mid age guys: Ryan, Flacco, Newton and the odd one really likes the younger guys: Bridgewater and (bizarrely in my opinion) Winston and Mariota without seeing them play an NFL snap.
mannc Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Rodgers Luck Ryan Roethlisberger Rivers Age and ability. No thanks to R Wilson. Let's see him have to carry his team, not lend a hand. All five of those guys have been the main reason their teams have had success. Can we say the same about Wilson? Yeah, Rivers and Ryan have been money in the playoffs, haven't they? Oh, and Luck too.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 ? Not sure what you mean by that. So you are saying that you aren't necessarily picking the top 5 best but the 5 that are good but won't command top dollar? Every guy you selected is/will be a $20 million/year QB. Point is i do not see Wilson as the type of QB worth spending that kind of money on. The Seahawks will never win the NFC again once Wilson signs that big deal and they can not sign the defensive guys they need. You think Flacco and the Ravens will be in the SB again? Yeah, Rivers and Ryan have been money in the playoffs, haven't they? Oh, and Luck too. Give them what Wilson has and they would have 2 SB championships, not one and one they p*ssed away at the 2 yard line.
jimdaigler Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Take a look at this 26-and-under list and tell me you're not impressed: Luck Stafford Wilson Newton Foles Bridgewater Carr Matt Simms luck-probably good, Wilson-good, the rest are a bunch of not yets, maybes, and matt sims
BuffaloFan68 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Rodgers Luck Flacco Newton Stafford Ryan Verdict is still out on EJ & others.
BigPappy Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Rodgers Luck Wilson Big Ben Brady (vet leadership is off the charts, worth it even if he only plays 3 more years) This list except remove big ben and add t brady. Cheater or not he still goes in the top 5. Bigpappy
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Other than Luck (who must be the consensus no. 1), I would put Brady at the top. His style strikes me as being good into his 40s. In fact, I would argue that in 5 years, Brady wil be better at age 42 than Rodgers and Ben R will be at 36.
Augie Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Other than Luck (who must be the consensus no. 1), I would put Brady at the top. His style strikes me as being good into his 40s. In fact, I would argue that in 5 years, Brady wil be better at age 42 than Rodgers and Ben R will be at 36. I hope Brady falls off a cliff like Kelly or Marino. One day, there's just no arm left to fit the ball into where it needs to go. A guy can hope! In the meantime, I hope to see him take a beating from our D.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Other than Luck (who must be the consensus no. 1), I would put Brady at the top. His style strikes me as being good into his 40s. In fact, I would argue that in 5 years, Brady wil be better at age 42 than Rodgers and Ben R will be at 36. I would bet anything that Brady is not playing in five years. He's still very, very good, that's for sure. But not five years. I hope Brady falls off a cliff like Kelly or Marino. One day, there's just no arm left to fit the ball into where it needs to go. A guy can hope! In the meantime, I hope to see him take a beating from our D. It usually ends quick for these guys. Kind of a strange phenomenon.
YoloinOhio Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I would bet anything that Brady is not playing in five years. He's still very, very good, that's for sure. But not five years. It usually ends quick for these guys. Kind of a strange phenomenon. as a Peyton Manning fan I found it tough to watch him at the end of last year. I know they are blaming injuries but I wonder. He was a shell of himself in that last month or so.
reddogblitz Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Blue Dress Eli Manning Russel Wilson Colin Kaepernick EJ Manuel Blatant cheaters need not apply. Edited July 1, 2015 by reddogblitz
mannc Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Give them what Wilson has and they would have 2 SB championships, not one and one they p*ssed away at the 2 yard line. Really? How do you know that? And how did you know Wilson checked out of a running play on second and goal from the 2?His style strikes me as being good into his 40s. In fact, I would argue that in 5 years, Brady wil be better at age 42 than Rodgers and Ben R will be at 36.Brady did not make my top 5 due to his age, but this scenario would not surprise me one bit.
metzelaars_lives Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Yeah, Rivers and Ryan have been money in the playoffs, haven't they? Oh, and Luck too.Luck is 3-3 in the playoffs in three seasons as a pro. That's really good. Don't worry, he'll win plenty of playoff games before it's said and done.
GunnerBill Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 as a Peyton Manning fan I found it tough to watch him at the end of last year. I know they are blaming injuries but I wonder. He was a shell of himself in that last month or so. I think he is done. Would not surprise me if he doesn't see out this season. However, with Peyton we know he has a tendency to mentally unravel and maybe that is what happened - the injury was on his mind and he just fell to pieces. Or maybe he never quite got over the Superbowl demolition job. There are a lot of excuses out there but I do wonder.... I think it might be the end.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Question, and based on your posting history I think it's a fair one: Who would you take on your roster right now, EJ Manuel or Andrew Luck? and based on yours you can be considered a troll. I provided my response, IF you can't accept that then I suggest that you should move on and stop the BS. Just because my opinion differs from yours or that you can not understand it is by no means an excuse for insults. Edited July 1, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Really? How do you know that? And how did you know Wilson checked out of a running play on second and goal from the 2? Brady did not make my top 5 due to his age, but this scenario would not surprise me one bit. The same way you and anyone who thinks Wilson is better than his stats show, I just know. Edited July 1, 2015 by atlbillsfan1975
metzelaars_lives Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) and based on yours you can be considered a troll. I provided my response, IF you can't accept that then I suggest that you should move on and stop the BS. Just because my opinion differs from yours or that you can not understand it is by no means an excuse for insults. I'm not trying to insult you, I promise. I'm only trying to have a pleasant exchange. I am not trolling you. I think it's a fair question to ask. If you believe a young QB who was a first round draft pick, has only played 14 games in the league, has the size, the arm strength, the mobility and the necessary leadership qualities, would have lead the Bills to a 12-4 record last year had he not been replaced by Orton, as you have stated on this very website, I think it's fair to ask if you'd choose him in your top 5 QB's to build a team around. If I knew only those things about a QB, I would certainly take him on my team. And if you'd consider Manuel for your top 5 and you do not have Luck in your top 5, I think it's also fair to ask who you would take, Manuel or Luck. So, who would you take? See? No insults, no trolling, I'm simply asking you a question based on information you have given me. Edited July 1, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
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