GG Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Just follow those three guys and you'll get it all in your feed. Pretty good stuff from Timmah!I'm not a twitter subscriber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Did you listen to both the Babcock press conference and the Murray interview? Â Buffalo media sounded like a bunch of whiney bitches who got left on the doorstep waiting for a date they never had. Sullivan didn't come across like that at all when he was on the Bob McCown radio show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 So pretty much zero compared to "rooster" as you say. Give him a roster with as much talent as rooster had with the Wings and he wins a SB or two. The NHL is a minor league compared to the NFL in terms of revenue and no coach should be paid anywhere close to what he's getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Sullivan didn't come across like that at all when he was on the Bob McCown radio show No, he's saying the same things I have been saying. "Can't wait 'til the Sabres introduce their next coach and tell us they really don't consider him their second choice." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 No, he's saying the same things I have been saying. "Can't wait 'til the Sabres introduce their next coach and tell us they really don't consider him their second choice." They can say "he might not have been their first choice, but he turned out to be their best choice." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 They can say "he might not have been their first choice, but he turned out to be their best choice." They can say whatever they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Look at the roster when Babcock took over the Red Wings. It's one of the most talented rosters in the history of the sport. That 6 mill + per/year is largely thanks to the front office of the Red Wings. Major coattails. Â Chelios, Datsyuk, Holmstron, Lindstrom, Legace, Osgood, Samuelsson, Schneider, Shanahan, Yzerman, Zetterberg, Draper, Lang. Â He was also the beneficiary of coaching for the Ducks who were IMO the 2nd best front office during that early 2000 period. Edited May 22, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Look at the roster when Babcock took over the Red Wings. It's one of the most talented rosters in the history of the sport. That 6 mill + per/year is largely thanks to the front office of the Red Wings. Major coattails. Â Chelios, Datsyuk, Holmstron, Lindstrom, Legace, Osgood, Samuelsson, Schneider, Shanahan, Yzerman, Zetterberg, Draper, Lang. Â He was also the beneficiary of coaching for the Ducks who were IMO the 2nd best front office during that early 2000 period. How come they weren't already cup winners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 How come they weren't already cup winners? That's not the point I am trying to make. He inherted one of the best rosters ever and farm systems at developing players. Â Now he is inherting a bottom 5 roster with the 19th farm system in terms of talent that has proven over time they can't develop their own. Â I don't think this will translate as well as people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 That's not the point I am trying to make. He inherted one of the best rosters ever and farm systems at developing players. Â Now he is inherting a bottom 5 roster with the 19th farm system in terms of talent that has proven over time they can't develop their own. Â I don't think this will translate as well as people think. He wasn't brought in to take this roster anywhere. This is a rebuild. This guy will change the culture of the team. Not many guys can do that. Hunter will get him the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 He wasn't brought in to take this roster anywhere. This is a rebuild. This guy will change the culture of the team. Not many guys can do that. Hunter will get him the players. We had 3 highly touted coaches prior that were supposed to rebuild and change the culture as well. I just look at "change of culture" as buzz words that mean nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 We had 3 highly touted coaches prior that were supposed to rebuild and change the culture as well. I just look at "change of culture" as buzz words that mean nothing. Did any of them deal with fat Phil? You think Kessel will be around if he doesn't get in shape? Not with this guy. He wants good people who live and breathe hockey on and off the ice. including how you take care of yourself. That's why I think it's important for him to be here at the start of the rebuild. He commands accountability. Get the young guys used to it, right from the get go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 You should watch the entire press conference. He answers all the questions. so did tom brady*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 @john_wawrow #Penguins GM Rutherford tells AP Bylsma free to pursue any job, including #Sabres. https://sports.yahoo.com/news/penguins-gm-dan-bylsma-free-pursue-coaching-job-224048287--nhl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 How come they weren't already cup winners? Who weren't already cup winners? Detroit? They won three cups between '96 and '02. They made the playoffs 13 straight years before Babcock got there. He inherited a gold mine and managed to keep it going so credit to him, but he couldn't have stepped into a better situation than Detroit at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Look at the roster when Babcock took over the Red Wings. It's one of the most talented rosters in the history of the sport. That 6 mill + per/year is largely thanks to the front office of the Red Wings. Major coattails.  Chelios, Datsyuk, Holmstron, Lindstrom, Legace, Osgood, Samuelsson, Schneider, Shanahan, Yzerman, Zetterberg, Draper, Lang.  He was also the beneficiary of coaching for the Ducks who were IMO the 2nd best front office during that early 2000 period. No coach wins without players. Holland set the bar for the rest of the NHL with regard to finding Euros who could adapt to the North American game, that much is true. But since the cap has been in place Detroit has been coming back to the pack. I give Babcock credit this season for pushing Tampa to the brink because his roster didn't match up well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 He sounds pissed. Finally had the chance to listen. Maybe it's me, but he sure did not sound pissed to me. Sounded like Babcock was upfront, they knew no deal was in place, he went to TO, no hard feelings. At the end, sounded a bit mystified as how the story came out as it did, but that was all. Â How does one navigate the Twittersphere maze to get the back and forth? I am with ya GG. I really have to get my kids to learn me how to use that thing....I can never seem to falla...( just watched The Sting the other day...ya falla) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) No coach wins without players. Holland set the bar for the rest of the NHL with regard to finding Euros who could adapt to the North American game, that much is true. But since the cap has been in place Detroit has been coming back to the pack. Â I give Babcock credit this season for pushing Tampa to the brink because his roster didn't match up well. The scenerio in Toronto is fascinating because his past NHL teams have been handed to him on a silver platter right from the start. He has never had to face adversity in his 12 year coaching career or have experience in a rebuild and he is going to one of the most ruthless hockey markets now in which the roster and farm is a mess. It will be interesting to watch how this all goes down. Edited May 22, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 The scenerio in Toronto is fascinating because his past NHL teams have been handed to him on a silver platter right from the start. He has never had to face adversity in his 12 year coaching career or have experience in a rebuild and he is going to one of the most ruthless hockey markets now in which the roster and farm is a mess. It will be interesting to watch how this all goes down. This is dead on. Nobody has been able to tame the situation there in almost 50 years... especially since the cap is in place. Babcock is a great coach and knows how to inspire and has seen many situations... but this will be like nothing he has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 This is dead on. Nobody has been able to tame the situation there in almost 50 years... especially since the cap is in place. Babcock is a great coach and knows how to inspire and has seen many situations... but this will be like nothing he has done. That's exactly why he took the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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