26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 It's a bad deal in both sports, IMO. It's a buyers market for goalies and Tim way overpaid when he didn't have to... That's where I am too. Lehner could wind up being good, but I will still argue that he paid too much with this current buyer's market for Goalies. @BuffaloSabres WATCH: #Sabres GM Tim Murray speaks with reporters about today's trade & tonight's draft. http://goo.gl/Ug1zn1 #SabresDraft2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 It's a bad deal in both sports, IMO. It's a buyers market for goalies and Tim way overpaid when he didn't have to... I can't say it's a bad deal yet. But goalies are a dime a dozen now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) im not a hockey expert, but I have to agree. Don't the Sabres have a ton of young prospects waiting in the wings already? Yes, they do and they spent years near and in the cellar to get those prospects. Now it's time to get NHL ready players and hope the prospects develop, that's how you become a winning team in this league. it's so much different than the NFL draft, a 21 in hockey is a long shot, usually a very young player with potential, and you have just as good a chance of getting lucky in the second round...Their next pick is 31, so they still can get a good prospect. Edited June 26, 2015 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I can't say it's a bad deal yet. But goalies are a dime a dozen now. he says this was the #1 goalie they wanted. I have no idea but I can't get too worked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) this should shed some light on the subject, 21st pick through the years: Â 2014 21 St. Louis Robby Fabbri C Guelph Storm [OHL] 2013 21 Toronto Frederik Gauthier C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 2012 21 Calgary Mark Jankowski C Stanstead College (Quebec) 2011 21 Ottawa Stefan Noesen R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 2010 21 Detroit Riley Sheahan C Notre Dame [CCHA] 2009 21 Columbus John Moore D Chicago Steel [uSHL] 2008 21 Washington Anton Gustafsson C Frolunda Jrs (Sweden) 2007 21 Edmonton Riley Nash C Salmon Arm Silverbacks [bCHL] 2006 21 NY Rangers Bob Sanguinetti D Owen Sound Attack [OHL] Edited June 26, 2015 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) @PR_NHL Top prospects @cmcdavid97 and @Jack_Eichel11 sat down with @MearsyNHL ahead of tonight's #NHLDraft. Â https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/614464281489354752 @ProHockeyTalk Get to know a draft pick -- Jack Eichel http://wp.me/p14QU5-9ZiY Â Edited June 26, 2015 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Read this quote from a Sens fan on TSN, thought I'd share: "I wish they would not have traded Lehner especially within the division. Don't fool yourself. Lehner will be a really good goaltender for the Sabres. Paul McLean misused this guy big time. Don't be upset with this Sabres fans. You will come to love this guy, just like most Sens fans did. Won the Calder Cup and MVP at the age of 19 in the AHL. He's good. He just has to be given a chance. The Sens will regret this move big time. Best of luck in your future Robin. So sad to see you go." I wish they would not have traded Lehner especially within the division. Don't fool yourself. Lehner will be a really good goaltender for the Sabres. Paul McLean misused this guy big time. Don't be upset with this Sabres fans. You will come to love this guy, just like most Sens fans did. Won the Calder Cup and MVP at the age of 19 in the AHL. He's good. He just has to be given a chance. The Sens will regret this move big time. Best of luck in your future Robin. So sad to see you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 That's where I am too. Lehner could wind up being good, but I will still argue that he paid too much with this current buyer's market for Goalies.@BuffaloSabres WATCH: #Sabres GM Tim Murray speaks with reporters about today's trade & tonight's draft. http://goo.gl/Ug1zn1 Â #SabresDraft2015 I just can't stay mad at the guy. He is Tim Murray: Zero Phucks Given. Â Gotta respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Isn't Legwand a good player? Does he factor in at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 I just can't stay mad at the guy. He is Tim Murray: Zero Phucks Given. Â Gotta respect that. He has conviction and total belief if what he's doing. I do admire that regardless of whether I agree with him on each of his moves. Isn't Legwand a good player? Does he factor in at all? He's very near the end. He'll help them get to the Salary Cap floor, but he's not a part of the long term plan. One year left on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Fair enough, I like it, you don't, time will tell...I like it because we have an quality NHL ready goalie now. Instead of waiting years to see if a late draft pick pans out. for example, in 2011 they selected Joel Armia with the 16th pick. He might be a good NHL player, but he's still not ready... Well, TMGM could have picked up an UFA like Niemi or traded for an older guy with 2-3 years left if he wanted a goalie "now." I hate giving up #21 in the deepest draft in many years for a guy with a concussion history (pick #51 or even #31 would have been more acceptable, but still open to debate). Â Packaging #21 and other assets for a Ryan O'Reiley trade is now off the table, which would have been the most transformative thing Tim could have pulled off, IMO... this should shed some light on the subject, 21st pick through the years: Â Except with the above average depth in this year's draft class, pick #21 is more like #11-14 or even top 10 in a typical year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 @BuffaloSabres One way to look at the #Sabres' deal with the Senators: @duffersabres on why it makes sense. http://goo.gl/xtDXjD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 It's very comforting to hear that GMTM targeted Lehner as the best goalie available. If he is even close to being right, giving up a #21 pick is a mere pittance. Â This ain't the NFL...#21 picks in the 1st round of the NHL are a crap shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 It's very comforting to hear that GMTM targeted Lehner as the best goalie available. If he is even close to being right, giving up a #21 pick is a mere pittance. Â This ain't the NFL...#21 picks in the 1st round of the NHL are a crap shoot. Â Â @tsnscottcullen An updated look at the value of each #NHL Draft pick: http://bit.ly/tsnss0625 Â You should take a look at this TSN piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 this should shed some light on the subject, 21st pick through the years:  2014 21 St. Louis Robby Fabbri C Guelph Storm [OHL] 2013 21 Toronto Frederik Gauthier C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 2012 21 Calgary Mark Jankowski C Stanstead College (Quebec) 2011 21 Ottawa Stefan Noesen R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 2010 21 Detroit Riley Sheahan C Notre Dame [CCHA] 2009 21 Columbus John Moore D Chicago Steel [uSHL] 2008 21 Washington Anton Gustafsson C Frolunda Jrs (Sweden) 2007 21 Edmonton Riley Nash C Salmon Arm Silverbacks [bCHL] 2006 21 NY Rangers Bob Sanguinetti D Owen Sound Attack [OHL]  I don't like looking at these things this way. I'd much rather look at a 3-4 pick bubble around those slots since it is such a crap shoot. So just out of curiosity, I'll pull the 22nd pick in each of those seasons:  14: Kasperi Kapanen 13: Emile Poirier 12: Olli Maatta 11: Tyler Biggs 10: Jarred Tinordi 09: Jordan Schroeder 08: Jordan Eberle 07: Max Pacioretty 06: Claude Giroux  So obviously the more recent ones are way too young, but that list of pick #22 sure does present a completely different look. I'm actually surprised how good it is. I wasn't expecting to see that as I started typing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015  I don't like looking at these things this way. I'd much rather look at a 3-4 pick bubble around those slots since it is such a crap shoot. So just out of curiosity, I'll pull the 22nd pick in each of those seasons:  14: Kasperi Kapanen 13: Emile Poirier 12: Olli Maatta 11: Tyler Biggs 10: Jarred Tinordi 09: Jordan Schroeder 08: Jordan Eberle 07: Max Pacioretty 06: Claude Giroux  So obviously the more recent ones are way too young, but that list of pick #22 sure does present a completely different look. I'm actually surprised how good it is. I wasn't expecting to see that as I started typing this.   Wow that blows the other point out of the water   Great post   CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 @Senators Ever wonder what an #NHL Trade Call looks like? #Sens TV takes you behind the scene. WATCH: http://ottsens.com/1GxttUH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 CBJ reportedly looking to move up from 8 to get Hannifin. What do you hockey experts think of this? No one in cbus knows anything about hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 @BuffaloSabres Tickets to #SabresDevCamp scrimmage on Friday, July 10 are now available: http://goo.gl/JbZbWO Draft picks expected to attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 CBJ reportedly looking to move up from 8 to get Hannifin. What do you hockey experts think of this? No one in cbus knows anything about hockey. The Bruins might beat them to the punch by trading Dougie Hamilton to the Coyotes for the #3 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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