Malazan Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Levitre hasn't been any better than what the Bills put on the field since he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 At least not one of middling physical abilities like Andy Cialis. The guy was solid when healthy, but never anywhere near the dominant force you'd expect from a guard with his salary. True. And he could last, and you could count on him pretty much at any time. But if you were in a big game, and need one long time consuming drive to nail it, Joey Viagara is your man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 You make good points and I agree with all of that in theory and often in what happens in the NFL. I thought the Bills totally blew the Jason Peters deal and said it here a 100 times. My point about Levitre is that he really wasn't that good. He was pretty good and he was very versatile (which would have been the only reason to keep him for that money). Sometimes you need to pay good players and sometimes you need to let them go. Levitre played admirably IMO, and he was an overachiever, he wasn't a top OG. I thought Levitre was significantly above average in his final season with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I thought Levitre was significantly above average in his final season with the Bills. He played pretty well. I thought he got way too much credit when he played LT and C for the actual play. It was amazing that he was able to do that, play all three positions, and that versatility is huge, no doubt. But it's not like you could look at that play at LT and say this guy can be a LT. He just held his own. He seemed to play decent at C but the same thing, he wasn't going to overtake Wood. He played good guard, no question. But he was still an overachiever. He wasn't just mauling guys. He was good. Not 50m good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Come home Levitre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 On top of that it was the blindside protection of our rookie qb trying to learn the ropes. Poor EJ had about 1.9 seconds per dropback before they were breathing down his neck. Not a good thing to do to your 1st round qb who needs confidence and time to execute plays. Exactly. Colin Brown was permitting an unreal amount of pass rush pressure. At least not one of middling physical abilities like Andy Cialis. The guy was solid when healthy, but never anywhere near the dominant force you'd expect from a guard with his salary. The guy was an early draft pick.......very athletic.....durable......visually, clearly the Bills best blocker.....statistically, clearly the Bills best blocker........but his ability was "middling" and "average at best"? Yeah right, he was only about the 16th best LG in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Exactly. Colin Brown was permitting an unreal amount of pass rush pressure. The guy was an early draft pick.......very athletic.....durable......visually, clearly the Bills best blocker.....statistically, clearly the Bills best blocker........but his ability was "middling" and "average at best"? Yeah right, he was only about the 16th best LG in the NFL. He had good technique and about average physical ability for a starter. He had decent quickness for a big guy, but never had dominating strength. I don't know what you're loling about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Come home Levitre If I recall correctly, his wife is from Buffalo for what it is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) He had good technique and about average physical ability for a starter. He had decent quickness for a big guy, but never had dominating strength. I don't know what you're loling about. Yeah, ok....good luck bouncing any current Bills OG's out to LT and not getting your QB planked on the first 3rd down. Again, the eyeball test nor the statistical analysis supports these ridiculous "average" takes. There are people in this thread that are trying to make more nuanced arguments and you guys are undermining them with laughably exaggerated revisionist takes on his play. Edited August 21, 2015 by #BADOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 What's the use for Levitre without having good Wood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 If I recall correctly, his wife is from Buffalo for what it is worth. Yeah he inadvertently tweeted a pic of her topless in the background of a pic of his jersey or something like that. Much excitement on TSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Yeah he inadvertently tweeted a pic of her topless in the background of a pic of his jersey or something like that. Much excitement on TSW. LINK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Yeah, ok....good luck bouncing any current Bills OG's out to LT and not getting your QB planked on the first 3rd down. Again, the eyeball test nor the statistical analysis supports these ridiculous "average" takes. There are people in this thread that are trying to make more nuanced arguments and you guys are undermining them with laughably exaggerated revisionist takes on his play. I don't know if you're functionally illiterate, but I didn't say he was average. I said he was above average but not great. Sorry to put a damper on your EJ Manuellian man crush on Levitre and this fantasy of him as an all world OG you seem to cling to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I don't know if you're functionally illiterate, but I didn't say he was average. I said he was above average but not great. Sorry to put a damper on your EJ Manuellian man crush on Levitre and this fantasy of him as an all world OG you seem to cling to. You said MIDDLING. Middling means average. It's even one of those words that only has one, clear meaning. But I am functionally illiterate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 So $19.5 million for two years is a good deal? Not even close. Even if he sticks this year, it's $26 million for three years. Still not even close to a good deal at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 You said MIDDLING. Middling means average. It's even one of those words that only has one, clear meaning. But I am functionally illiterate? Read the whole post, smart guy. 2 or 3 times if necessary, preferably sowly, and see if it doesn't become abundantly clear why you look like an ass right now for coming at me like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 And I think the bills knew that Levitre had injury concerns at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 You said MIDDLING. Middling means average. It's even one of those words that only has one, clear meaning. But I am functionally illiterate? You didn't think Levitre had average physical ability? Was he huge? Super fast? Really strong? Nimble? He was a good to very good guard but not a dominant force or great athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 You didn't think Levitre had average physical ability? Was he huge? Super fast? Really strong? Nimble? He was a good to very good guard but not a dominant force or great athlete. No he was an exceptional athlete for the guard position. Some of the best the past few years have been 300-310# athletic technicians like Levitre. There is a name for bigger players with that kind of athletic ability and technique........stud left tackles. The bottom line is that there aren't as many good guards out there as people seem to think. Unless of course, they are justifying the Bills not adequately replacing Levitre......in which case "well, there wasn't much out theeeeerere....what could they do?" And I think the bills knew that Levitre had injury concerns at that point. They knew about Levitre's knee......which hadn't caused him any visible difficulty on the field in Buffalo.........but not about Chris Williams' chronic back issues? Welcome to the conversation, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 They knew about Levitre's knee......which hadn't caused him any visible difficulty on the field in Buffalo.........but not about Chris Williams' chronic back issues? Welcome to the conversation, by the way. Thanks. I'm sure they knew about CW's back. But his ended up being just a 1-year $3.5M deal. Not in the same ballpark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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