reddogblitz Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 John McCain was tortured. He says it doesn't work and doesn't produce good information. Why don't we listen to people with first hand knowledge instead of yahoos like Rumsfeld and Cheney?
DC Tom Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 John McCain was tortured. He says it doesn't work and doesn't produce good information. Why don't we listen to people with first hand knowledge instead of yahoos like Rumsfeld and Cheney? Because McCain's experience of torture is substantially different from the CIA's use in Gitmo. Not all "torture" is equal, so generalizations like McCain's aren't valid.
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Because McCain's experience of torture is substantially different from the CIA's use in Gitmo. Not all "torture" is equal, so generalizations like McCain's aren't valid. Indeed. Ancedotals are never valid. There may, or may not, be many arguments for, or against, torture; but McCain's experiences aren't relevant.
birdog1960 Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 they are much more relevant than those of a couple of chicken hawks
Chef Jim Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 they are much more relevant than those of a couple of chicken hawks Yes of course they are.
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 they are much more relevant than those of a couple of chicken hawksWhy?
Chef Jim Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Why? Come on man. You know there is no way he can answer that.
Alaska Darin Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 I love listening to liberals whine about government policies that don't work, all the while ignoring the well documented fact that their entire political ideology is an abject failure.
birdog1960 Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 because some personal experience on a topic is better than none.
Gary M Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 I love listening to liberals whine about government policies that don't work, all the while ignoring the well documented fact that their entire political ideology is an abject failure.
4merper4mer Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Oliver hits it out of the park again. I find that when someone looks like a douche and talks like a douche, he is most likely a douche. It has saved me a lot of time which I have used to make $$$$$$$$$$$.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 That guy's funny as hell. Why haven't i heard of him before?
Chef Jim Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) because some personal experience on a topic is better than none.You've already said that. So one is required to have personal experience (which may be completely different from actions that work) to have better opinion if something works? Could it be possible that the others have tons of Intel that tell them different types of actions actually do work? That guy's funny as hell. Why haven't i heard of him before? You have. His name is Jon Stewart. Edited June 16, 2015 by Chef Jim
Magox Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) John Oliver is a funny dude. Having said that, some tortures work for some people and don't work for others. Each person has different pressure points and levels of thresholds of pain that they can endure. To say one way or another in a definitive manner only speaks to your own ideological bias. Edited June 16, 2015 by Magox
birdog1960 Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) have any of you cons ever heard of these things called ethics and morality? didn't think so... they're the things that separate us from animals. some of us. Edited June 16, 2015 by birdog1960
Jauronimo Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 have any of you cons ever heard of these things called ethics and morality? didn't think so... they're the things that separate us from animals. some of us. Normally you make it to page 2 before you start flailing wildly and clutching at straws. Thank you for expediting the process.
GG Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 have any of you cons ever heard of these things called ethics and morality? didn't think so... they're the things that separate us from animals. some of us. We're not animals? Did you learn that in your special science class?
Nanker Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Yes. We are God-like creatures with holy auras which can only be lost if we painlessly "torture" people or call them names like "Cankles".
DC Tom Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 John Oliver is a funny dude. Having said that, some tortures work for some people and don't work for others. Each person has different pressure points and levels of thresholds of pain that they can endure. To say one way or another in a definitive manner only speaks to your own ideological bias. It depends on your definition of "torture," which is the entire problem of comparing McCain's experience to Gitmo. McCain was beaten for two hours a day for an extended period, suffering permanent, crippling injury for which medical attention was withheld, and was fed so poorly that he had dysentery for most of his stay, and lost a lot of body weight. Gitmo detainees were...forced to watch infidels handle the Koran, be interrogated by women in skirts, and were overfed to the point of gaining excessive weight. The US is the first country in history to be accused of torture by providing sufficient, healthy food to prisoners.
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