Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Sadly, this is correct. It would be worth it though.Not for a 34 year old OG. Especially not now with Incognito fitting in nice and Miller way ahead of schedule. 2 months ago it was a need. Edited June 11, 2015 by TheTruthHurts
John from Riverside Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Not for a 34 year old OG. Especially not now with Incognito fitting in nice and Miller way ahead of schedule. 2 months ago it was a need. It still is.....we cannot have enough good players at this position. And Cog is on a 1 year deal.
Rob's House Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 This is exactly what McCoy meant when he called Kelly a racist. He was talking about top players who spoke their mind. At that point it was only black players that had been gotten rid of, and like it or not, a black guy (with good reason because of history although it may not be true) will perceive that as black entering into the equation. That whitey in power doesn't like anyone usurping or questioning or equaling that power and whitey ESPECIALLY does not like when it is a black guy. McCoy was right then and he is right now. It's just not as much a black thing as he perceived it. Kelly doesn't like strong willed and loud mouthed players on his team. So basically, McCoy suffered from a strong case of confirmation bias and was as wrong as he could be about the racial thing, but he was right then and he's right now?
BarleyNY Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Not for a 34 year old OG. That's fair. If we had our QB it would be different.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) It still is.....we cannot have enough good players at this position. And Cog is on a 1 year deal. you can when you don't have the cap. Again, drop Fred Jackson and Chris Williams and sign him. Edited June 11, 2015 by TheTruthHurts
26CornerBlitz Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 @SalSports: Source: #Bills inquiring what Evan Mathis' expectations are before determining own level of interest. (meaning, money and roll) Someone ask Sal if Mathis wants his roll with butter or jelly.
YoloinOhio Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 @SalSports: Source: #Bills inquiring what Evan Mathis' expectations are before determining own level of interest. (meaning, money and roll)his agent is drew rosenhaus who the Bills also represents Shady and Bradham who the Bills are looking to give a long-term deal. Could be a good thing.
26CornerBlitz Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 his agent is drew rosenhaus who the Bills also represents Shady and Bradham who the Bills are looking to give a long-term deal. Could be a good thing. Won't matter because Mathis wants to be paid well.
Peter Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I have not decided whether I want the Bills to spend the money to sign Mathis, but I do know this: 1) Given the questions about our QBS, other teams are going to stack the box. As a result, if the Bills want to be able to run the ball, whoever is on the line better be able to open up some holes. 2) At the end of the day, the Bills better have enough money to extend Marcell, Gilmour, Nigel, and Cordy. Just my two cents.
YoloinOhio Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 @SalSports: Bad news if you want Mathis on Bills would be (from my sense) Bills aren't going to just go all-in to get him.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 So basically, McCoy suffered from a strong case of confirmation bias and was as wrong as he could be about the racial thing, but he was right then and he's right now? Kinda? I think McCoy was wrong about the race thing, for the record. But Chip certainly seems to dislike players who are A) outspoken and/or B) do not fully, 100% buy into the system. It so happens that the three skill player superstars when Chip took over were McCoy, DeSean and Maclin. All three incredibly talented players were traded, cut for nothing, and allowed to walk. Cole and Harremans were also locker room leaders who were productive and got released. All together, it does suggest a certain mold Chip is looking for, and he is incredibly rigid on that.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 his agent is drew rosenhaus who the Bills also represents Shady and Bradham who the Bills are looking to give a long-term deal. Could be a good thing.That actually does make me more intrigued since Bills have a great relationship with Rosenhaus. But I just don't see it for a 34 year old OG. They would be better served trying to extend Incognito a few years.
John from Riverside Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 @SalSports: Bad news if you want Mathis on Bills would be (from my sense) Bills aren't going to just go all-in to get him. And this is entirely possible to..... The bills might just take their lumps with rookie John Miller That actually does make me more intrigued since Bills have a great relationship with Rosenhaus. But I just don't see it for a 34 year old OG. They would be better served trying to extend Incognito a few years. I think we need to be veeeery careful with the Cog......they need to see that he can keep from having a melt down before they start talking long term.
Best Player Available Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 That actually does make me more intrigued since Bills have a great relationship with Rosenhaus. But I just don't see it for a 34 year old OG. They would be better served trying to extend Incognito a few years.Incognito has been out of the league for over a year. What guarantee that he is still able to play to his lofty dirty style of play? yes, he did make a pro bowl. Big deal. personally I would like a one and done with that tool. And move some quality drafted guards in there. if Whaley ever hits on one
starrymessenger Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 He's a great zone blocking guard, not at all a power blocking mauler. Does he fit with what the Bills are looking to do?
Rob's House Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Kinda? I think McCoy was wrong about the race thing, for the record. But Chip certainly seems to dislike players who are A) outspoken and/or B) do not fully, 100% buy into the system. It so happens that the three skill player superstars when Chip took over were McCoy, DeSean and Maclin. All three incredibly talented players were traded, cut for nothing, and allowed to walk. Cole and Harremans were also locker room leaders who were productive and got released. All together, it does suggest a certain mold Chip is looking for, and he is incredibly rigid on that. But the race thing was the basis of McCoy's argument. That Kelly didn't like arrogant loudmouths was the counterargument to McCoy.
NoSaint Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 And this is entirely possible to..... The bills might just take their lumps with rookie John Miller I think we need to be veeeery careful with the Cog......they need to see that he can keep from having a melt down before they start talking long term. And I think many take for granted that either will live up to hopes. It's entirely possible urbik ends up looking like the best guard week 1- as pessimistic as that sounds....
YoloinOhio Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) But the race thing was the basis of McCoy's argument. That Kelly didn't like arrogant loudmouths was the counterargument to McCoy.mccoy said he didn't "like or respect stars" in the first interview. In the second, he said he got rid of the good black players first. Emphasis on stars and good players. And the black ones were purged first. That's how he saw it. I'm pretty sure that, though mccoy isnt the most articulate, everyone could figure out that he was not saying Chip only wanted white players. It's football, not tennis. He meant himself, DeSean, Maclin. The way it looks to me is that he wants a certain 'type' of player who does not have swag or question things or make a lot of money.Many times, star NFL players don't fit his mold. He's trying to create a new culture there. I don't know if anyone knows how it will work. Edited June 11, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 mccoy said he didn't "like or respect stars" in the first interview. In the second, he said he got rid of the good black players first. Emphasis on stars and good players. And the black ones were purged first. That's how he saw it. I'm pretty sure that, though mccoy isnt the most articulate, everyone could figure out that he was not saying Chip only wanted white players. It's football, not tennis. He meant himself, DeSean, Maclin. The way it looks to me is that he wants a certain 'type' of player who does not have swag or question things or make a lot of money.Many times, star NFL players don't fit his mold. He's trying to create a new culture there. I don't know if anyone knows how it will work. I'm pretty sure McCoy wanted to mention Riley Cooper but stopped himself.
YoloinOhio Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I'm pretty sure McCoy wanted to mention Riley Cooper but stopped himself.that was mentioned by some ex-NFL players I heard on the radio last week when it was a hot story. They said it was common knowledge that the handling of Riley Cooper internally was an issue in the locker room. They think mccoy didn't want to drag him into it.
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