TakeYouToTasker Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Paranoid ramblings of a dopey kook. Making up ghosts to justify hostile, aggressive behavior. Actually who that compares most to are Islamic fanatics.Still no solutions, Joe? Of course not. You don't understand the topic, and as I said earlier, you're not a solutions guy. Now, go hop in that time machine of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Your examples are a list of canards coated thick in prejudicial pro-Islamist language, you aren't even trying to disguise it anymore; and as much as you protest, what we actually do is provide consistency and stability in the region, as long as we maintain an active military presence. That's why global commerce flows when we take an active role, and why is seizes when we leave. And you've still offered no solutions, other than a time machine to take us back to Colonial Europe hoping to prevent British Imperialism. You're doing nothing more than bitching about the end game of events set in motion litterally hundereds of years ago, insisting that the answer is for America to deny geopolitics exist, and vacate the world stage; ignorantly chirping that a well-spring of global goodwill and harmony will magically erupt from the Earth drenching us all in rainbow unicorn farts to fill the vacuum. That's a steaming pile of horse ****. Bad actors leap to fill to void in our absence. ISIS' acendancy in the Middle East is a microcosm of what happens when America abrogates it's duties as the lone global super power and moral actor. In our absence, do you believe China will well steward the global good? Will Russia? You're an idiot. Absolutely. They've done a bang up job in Sudan. Are we really discussing the merit of murderous psychopaths based on local commerce? National socialism lifted a country out of severe economic depression crippled by hyperinflation into a global super power. Maybe Syria should try that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Absolutely. They've done a bang up job in Sudan. Are we really discussing the merit of murderous psychopaths based on local commerce? National socialism lifted a country out of severe economic depression crippled by hyperinflation into a global super power. Maybe Syria should try that? Nothing Joe says surprises me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Nothing Joe says surprises me anymore. If we're going to have this asinine conversation, let us at least discuss it competently. This thread and JTSP's point reminds me of the classic joke "at least the trains ran on time". Except hes serious. Remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Extra Credit: ISIS is now making inroads on Hamas with the purpose of over-running both Israel and Palestinian settlements. Should the United States allow Palestinians to be overrun. Go. Edited June 12, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Extra Credit: ISIS is now making inroads on Hamas with the purpose of over-running both Israel and Palestinian settlements. Should the United States allow Palestinians to be overrun. Go. I would like a link please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Analysis from a senior advisor to U.S. Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan: Assad has been written off before, only to survive those who predicted his demise. But given the balance of forces and the way in which the tide of battle is turning, it is hard to see how his regime and army can long resist eventual collapse. Arrayed against him are not only the Nusra Front and ISIS, which are attracting recruits from abroad, but also Turks, Saudis and Gulf Arabs, who have been clandestinely aiding Sunni rebels we regard as terrorists. Though the Turks have a half-million-man army, 3,000 tanks, 1,000 military aircraft, and are 60 miles from the ISIS capital of Raqqa in Syria, our NATO ally refuses to move. Turkey’s president sees Assad as an ally of Iran. The Israelis, too, see Assad as an ally of Iran and a greater enemy than an ISIS or Nusra Front with no army to threaten Israel. They have been aiding Syrian rebels on the Golan. Israeli ambassador Michael Oren said in 2013, "We always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran." Fine, but the "bad guys" Ambassador Oren prefers have on their hands the blood of 3,000 Americans. Interviewed by CBS News, Gen. David Petraeus said the United States is "probably losing" the war to ISIS, and we need more U.S. troops in Iraq or we run "the risk of losing the fight." Now consider what the general is saying: America should send her best and bravest back into Iraq to defeat ISIS, while Turkey, the Saudis, the Gulf Arabs and Israel are helping bring about the defeat of a Syrian army that has been battling ISIS for years. Our "friends" in the Middle East have no problem with us fighting and dying to drive ISIS out of Iraq, while they try to bring about the fall of Assad in Syria, which would constitute a triumph for ISIS. Our "friends" don’t mind this happening because it would be a defeat for Iran and the Shiite Crescent, their enemies, even if it meant a victory for ISIS and al-Qaida, our enemies. It is time we stopped letting other nations pick the enemies for us to fight. And as our "friends" are looking out for themselves first, last, and always, let us Americans begin to do the same. http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2015/06/04/is-isis-coming-to-damascus/ Edited June 12, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I would like a link please http://www.debka.com/article/24637/First-Hamas-ISIS-firefight-in-Gaza-%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C5%93Islamic-State-of-Jerusalem%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%9D-supporters-sighted-on-Israeli-border Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 http://www.debka.com/article/24637/First-Hamas-ISIS-firefight-in-Gaza-%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C5%93Islamic-State-of-Jerusalem%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%9D-supporters-sighted-on-Israeli-border If the past is any guide, with our support Israel will degrade Hamas ability to fight ISIS since they view Hamas as the bigger threat to its continued occupation. Then when the inevitable happens and the situation becomes unstable, there'll be an outcry for US boots on the ground to fight ISIS. This is exactly what happened in neighboring Syria where they (and others)/degraded Assad's ability to fight ISIS and other extremists, and now of course they all turn their backs and leave it to US to clean up the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 If the past is any guide, with our support Israel will degrade Hamas ability to fight ISIS since they view Hamas as the bigger threat to its continued occupation. Then when the inevitable happens and the situation becomes unstable, there'll be an outcry for US boots on the ground to fight ISIS. This is exactly what happened in neighboring Syria where they (and others)/degraded Assad's ability to fight ISIS and other extremists, and now of course they all turn their backs and leave it to US to clean up the mess. Israel will defend their territory in palestinian lands; and have already stated they will treat ISIS exactly as they treat Hamas. That aside, the notion that Hamas has ever had any interest in defense is laughable. Their sole purpose is quasi-guerrilla offensives. With that said, again I ask, if Israel is incapable of defending their palestinian lands, or if the choose not to, should the United States do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Israel will defend their territory in palestinian lands; and have already stated they will treat ISIS exactly as they treat Hamas. That aside, the notion that Hamas has ever had any interest in defense is laughable. Their sole purpose is quasi-guerrilla offensives. With that said, again I ask, if Israel is incapable of defending their palestinian lands, or if the choose not to, should the United States do so? Last thing Netanyahu wants is a peace partner...cuz that would mean you know, peace? That's why he went bat sh#t when Hamas was being diluted into Fatah last year. And BTW Palestinians are being occupied, the have a right of defense. Edited June 12, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Last thing Netanyahu wants is a peace partner...cuz that would mean you know, peace? That's why he went bat sh#t when Hamas was being diluted into Fatah last year. And BTW Palestinians are being occupied, the have a right of defense.Netanyahu will defend Israel's palestinian lands unilaterally. And if he won't, or can't, should the United States defend those lands and the people who occupy them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 Netanyahu will defend Israel's palestinian lands unilaterally. And if he won't, or can't, should the United States defend those lands and the people who occupy them? Why do you keep asking the same stupid question? (Or does just your stupidity explain it?) US already enables the occupying power politically, financially, and militarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Why do you keep asking the same stupid question? (Or does just your stupidity explain it?) US already enables the occupying power politically, financially, and militarily.I keep asking the question because you won't answer it, which makes it exactly the same as every other hard question you've ever been asked on this board. If Israel can't or won't defend their palestinian territory, should the United States defend it, and the people who occupy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 I keep asking the question because you won't answer it, which makes it exactly the same as every other hard question you've ever been asked on this board. If Israel can't or won't defend their palestinian territory, should the United States defend it, and the people who occupy it? I've said repratedly the US should do what's in its own interests, and stop supporting false allies. You're a dumbass beyond compare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I've said repratedly the US should do what's in its own interests, and stop supporting false allies. You're a dumbass beyond compareSo the United States should permit a Palestinian genocide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 So the United States should permit a Palestinian genocide?We have been for decades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 http://www.debka.com/article/24637/First-Hamas-ISIS-firefight-in-Gaza-%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C5%93Islamic-State-of-Jerusalem%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%9D-supporters-sighted-on-Israeli-border So if me and my old garage band (Andy war hoe) renamed ourselves (ISIS in America) there would be an article "ISIS makes inroads in America" popping up somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 So if me and my old garage band (Andy war hoe) renamed ourselves (ISIS in America) there would be an article "ISIS makes inroads in America" popping up somewhere.You see what he's repeatedly doing: "I'm doing bad things because of what I hypothesize others will do if I don't do these bad things. Therefore my bad things...however atrocious ....are justified" And to think in our society he has ample access to assault weapons. Scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) We have been for decadesSo... in addition to not knowing the definition of genocide, you won't give a straight answer a simple question? You, quite sincerely, might be the most intellectually cowardly individual I've ever encountered.You see what he's repeatedly doing: "I'm doing bad things because of what I hypothesize others will do if I don't do these bad things. Therefore my bad things...however atrocious ....are justified" And to think in our society he has ample access to assault weapons. ScaryI'm willing to wager you can't define "assault weapon" either Good grief you're stupid. So if me and my old garage band (Andy war hoe) renamed ourselves (ISIS in America) there would be an article "ISIS makes inroads in America" popping up somewhere.Well, to be honest, the FBI would probably have something to say about it; but no, that wouldn't be the same thing, unless of course you actually were committed to the cause of ISIS in the United States. Edited June 13, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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