Beerball Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 I know that there was a thread about this, but, I couldn't find it. I'll happily merge if someone points it out to me. As always, please leave politics out of the discussion. Sure seems like a needless money grab by NFL teams. http://wtop.com/nfl/2015/06/senators-push-for-end-to-military-paying-nfl-to-honor-troops/
DirtDart Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) I agree. These teams make enough money, they could at least provide the vets tickets for free. It would be a write off for them, at the least. Edited June 5, 2015 by DirtDart
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 I know that there was a thread about this, but, I couldn't find it. I'll happily merge if someone points it out to me. As always, please leave politics out of the discussion. Sure seems like a needless money grab by NFL teams. http://wtop.com/nfl/2015/06/senators-push-for-end-to-military-paying-nfl-to-honor-troops/ imo take Gov'ment out of the title and you might succeed in keeping it non political
Beerball Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 Patriots** indeed IIRC the professional NFL team that plays in Orchard Park also held out their hand.
NoSaint Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 I bet we see a couple good melts in this thread if it gets any discussion IIRC the professional NFL team that plays in Orchard Park also held out their hand. It seems the nfl and military both treat it more as advertising/marketing than honoring. And if they are willing to sell the military time to do what they want with- and the military wants to buy it.....
Beerball Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 It seems the nfl and military both treat it more as advertising/marketing than honoring. And if they are willing to sell the military time to do what they want with- and the military wants to buy it..... Call it what you will, the Bills called it Salute to Service. http://www.dailypublic.com/articles/05102015/bills-getting-paid-honor-military
Just Jack Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 I bet we see a couple good melts in this thread if it gets any discussion It seems the nfl and military both treat it more as advertising/marketing than honoring. And if they are willing to sell the military time to do what they want with- and the military wants to buy it..... Call it what you will, the Bills called it Salute to Service. http://www.dailypublic.com/articles/05102015/bills-getting-paid-honor-military That's how I'm reading it, the military is just another advertiser for the NFL/Bills, like how the National Guard sponsored Dale Jr.'s car for several years. http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2014/8/7/national-guard-sponsor-dale-earnhardt-jr-hendrick-motorsports.html
Beerball Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 That's how I'm reading it, the military is just another advertiser for the NFL/Bills, like how the National Guard sponsored Dale Jr.'s car for several years. http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2014/8/7/national-guard-sponsor-dale-earnhardt-jr-hendrick-motorsports.html Except that paint on a race car is rather obvious and everyone know how it got there. If anyone assumed that the Bills were getting paid for these "tributes" I wonder why they never spoke up. It's not dirty but it isn't clean either (to me).
Nanker Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 Eyedunno. Should the Army stop advertising on TV then? I don't think there's a marketing ploy that isn't in play wrt both the NFL and the US armed forces. Think of it as a symbiotic partnership.
Beerball Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 Eyedunno. Should the Army stop advertising on TV then? I don't think there's a marketing ploy that isn't in play wrt both the NFL and the US armed forces. Think of it as a symbiotic partnership. Again (I may sound like I'm up in arms about this, I'm really not), advertising is what it is. It's obvious and everyone knows money changes hands. That wasn't the case here. If the Bills (and other teams) need a cash incentive to salute the military then there's a problem.
Gugny Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 Not many threads here piss me off. This one does. The people writing the checks on behalf of the military (being stupid enough to do it) are just as much to blame as the NFL (being scummy enough to demand/take it).
PromoTheRobot Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 The Bills were #3 on the list of teams earning the most from such "advertising." Somethings around $600K IIRC. It's one thing to advertise recruitment for money. It's another honor soldiers that way. Bad form.
DallasBillsFan1 Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 No disrespect to the military (I did not serve but greatly appreciate all they have done and continue to do), but this is one of many reasons why our country is now 18 trillion in debt. They simply should not be funding these events. Until we start seeing surpluses (likely never again), there is no $$ for this purpose. In fact, there is no money. We are borrowing to keep the country going. Anyway, GO BILLS!
BillsVet Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 As a combat veteran who has attended games where the Bills did their "Salute to Service" in hindsight, it feels insincere, considering they were paid to do so. I'm all for the NFL and their franchises being successful, but honoring the military should be something you do out of the goodness of your organization, not because someone paid you to do it.
bonechiller Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 With the cash cow that the NFL is, it should do this for free.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) Says the man who doesn't want this to turn political. my quote was blank Why? the tile itself invites it. so why criticize FTR based on knowing posters here .... there is no way this doesn't go political. Edited June 5, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
rsxfirefighter Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 This whole "Breaking Story" had me laughing from day one. From my understanding, this money was spent on Sponsorships. This had nothing to do with "Honoring Vets" or "Salute to Soldiers". Just with any other company, sponsorship money came with advertisements. Verizon, Bud Light, etc all do it. They pay money, their name/logo gets blasted. I felt this was the case with the National Guard and now found an old article that talked about a true "Sponsorship". http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Bills-and-National-Guard-announce-partnership/8901b292-43a5-44be-91d5-ba4f678c81ca This just talks about 1 little portion, but I can safely assume there were similar deals to cover the other money for advertisement portions. This deal in 2011 (Ironically we got $29k from Air Force and spent at least $22k on the 11 week program to coaches) probably led to similar and larger types of advertisement deals/partnerships. http://www.sponsorship.com/IEGSR/2012/02/21/Despite-Budget-Cutbacks,-U-S--Armed-Forces-Remain.aspx U.S. Air ForceMaj. Bobby Holland, chief of event marketing, Air Force Recruiting Service210/565-4678 Target/Objectives/Key Activations: The U.S. Air Force has significantly reduced its sponsorship portfolio over the past few years, dropping ties with the Professional Drifting Championship Series, Professional Bull Riders and other properties. Despite the cutbacks, the Air Force continues to ink new deals. The military branch in Sept. 2011 announced a new partnership with the NFL Buffalo Bills, a deal that afforded signage in Ralph Wilson Stadium and presence on www.BuffaloBills.com. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000092380/printable/nfl-teams-to-honor-armed-forces-in-salute-to-service-campaign Buffalo BillsArmy, Air Force, Navy, Marines, and Coast GuardThe Army National Guard serves as the Bills' "Salute to Service" game-day sponsor. The pregame ceremony will feature 150 guardsmen unfurling a full-field flag as 50,000 seated fans present a stadium-wide thank you message to the troops with placards. During halftime, the National Guard will also take part in an oath re-affirmation ceremony. All this has been mentioned in the past, however no one decided to put 2 and 2 together until the Financial numbers were released.. When something is a sponsor, money changes hands...
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