hondo in seattle Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 The Bleacher Report has an article about the possibility of team's now carrying two-point specialists like Tim Tebow, for example. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2483081-should-nfl-teams-really-pursue-2-point-specialists While I do believe 2 point conversions will spike this year, I don't think teams will alter their rosters in any dramatic way. We already have 2 point specialists - they're called football players. And sometimes they're called short yardage specialists. Football teams face important short yardage situations all the time and they're already built to maximize success in those situations.
billieve420 Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 We have that guy in Tyrod Taylor I believe. He is a lock to make this team as they can find ways to use him even if he doesn't win the starting job. Cassel or EJ are the most likely cuts depending on the outcome of training camp.
Jauronimo Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 The PAT is still a chip shot by NFL standards and the risk of a defensive score on the PAT remains low. I wonder if we really will see an appreciable increase in 2pt attempts. It will be interesting.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) We have that guy in Tyrod Taylor I believe. He is a lock to make this team as they can find ways to use him even if he doesn't win the starting job. Cassel or EJ are the most likely cuts depending on the outcome of training camp.There is zero chance that Cassel gets cut. They brought him to be the veteran QB. They aren't going to go into the season without one. All 3 battle for the starting job and if Cassel doesn't win he is the number 2. Karlos Williams could become a 2 point specialist. Edited June 3, 2015 by Kirby Jackson
Dibs Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I really don't see the logic in this. The 2 pt conversion is just like a normal game situation at the goal line.....and very similar to 3rd(4th) and short(1-2) midfield. If there was a significant way to improve ones chances where one could score 6 pts(or get a 1st down) by using a "specialist", I would think that teams would already be doing it.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I really don't see the logic in this. The 2 pt conversion is just like a normal game situation at the goal line.....and very similar to 3rd(4th) and short(1-2) midfield. If there was a significant way to improve ones chances where one could score 6 pts(or get a 1st down) by using a "specialist", I would think that teams would already be doing it.No but think of it like a KOS. The new rules created more touchbacks and less reasons for a team to keep one. The new extra point rule may create more 2 point chances and when deciding on the bottom of the roster a guy like Tebow may make it. If it comes down to someone like Larry Dean or a Tebow type it could be the tiebreaker.
Dibs Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 No but think of it like a KOS. The new rules created more touchbacks and less reasons for a team to keep one. The new extra point rule may create more 2 point chances and when deciding on the bottom of the roster a guy like Tebow may make it. If it comes down to someone like Larry Dean or a Tebow type it could be the tiebreaker. I think you missed my point. The new 2pt rule simply adds more short yardage plays. Short yardage situations are already extremely important to convert, particularly on goal line. If using a player like Tebow in these situations gave one a better chance at converting them it would already be happening.
Chandler#81 Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 It is a new dynamic. Every year -it seems- there's a torrential rain event in Pittsburgh/Miami/anywhere in September, to say nothing of wind gales in November and blizzards thereafter, that virtually wipe out an "automatic" 33 yrd EP attempt. I don't know that Tebow-esque players will suddenly appear on the landscape, but 'Refriderator Perry's' may make a rebirth. Think about this; Kyle Williams lines up next to Wood at guard and Marcell Dareus takes the handoff garnering a full head off steam with Tyrod at QB threatening a play action pass or rollout. Carnage- but great theater!
3rdand12 Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 It is a new dynamic. Every year -it seems- there's a torrential rain event in Pittsburgh/Miami/anywhere in September, to say nothing of wind gales in November and blizzards thereafter, that virtually wipe out an "automatic" 33 yrd EP attempt. I don't know that Tebow-esque players will suddenly appear on the landscape, but 'Refriderator Perry's' may make a rebirth. Think about this; Kyle Williams lines up next to Wood at guard and Marcell Dareus takes the handoff garnering a full head off steam with Tyrod at QB threatening a play action pass or rollout. Carnage- but great theater! Begs to be asked then, is this an advantage to Teams with a roof? I like the thought. To add some speculation and diversity to the potential of the outcome. instead the , go get a beer and or pee part of the game. but some potential viewer fun might be had. Bet the players dont care for it when its no longer a gimme and guys go at full speed
artmalibu Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I dont think we will see a big difference in 2 point attempts. But, teams will put more effort into the play due to bad weather games.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I think you missed my point. The new 2pt rule simply adds more short yardage plays. Short yardage situations are already extremely important to convert, particularly on goal line. If using a player like Tebow in these situations gave one a better chance at converting them it would already be happening.I got the point and probably didn't communicate it clearly. If a team anticipates going for an extra 20 2 point conversions (as an example) they may decide that it is that much more important to keep a short yardage specialist like a Tebow. Short yardage is very important now but if the number of chances (and important ones) rises it may be the tipping point at the end of the roster.
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) I just think the new PAT rules are inconsistent with the game in general. You muff a PAT and you have way more yardage to get it into the endzone. Everything should be "backwards compatible" and consitent with the rules game play. IMO. You should be able to line up on the two and fake a PAT for a 2-point conversion. They are turning the game into mini-golf. It will look like the sequels to Caddyshack if they keep putting in stupid rules. Why don't they just use motorized/moving uprights on the goalposts. Wallbash. Edited June 4, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois
moshermw Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 We have that guy in Tyrod Taylor I believe. He is a lock to make this team as they can find ways to use him even if he doesn't win the starting job. Cassel or EJ are the most likely cuts depending on the outcome of training camp. This is the correct answer. /thread
Formerly Allan in MD Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 We have that guy in Tyrod Taylor I believe. He is a lock to make this team as they can find ways to use him even if he doesn't win the starting job. Cassel or EJ are the most likely cuts depending on the outcome of training camp. Cassel will not get cut. He's the only veteran QB we've got and he's not near as bad as many on this board suggest he is.
FluffHead Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 William Percival Harvin III is a heck of a short yardage/2 point weapon as well. He is a heck of a runner and gets the edge so well and that is tough to stop when you only need 2 yards.
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I think you missed my point. The new 2pt rule simply adds more short yardage plays. Short yardage situations are already extremely important to convert, particularly on goal line. If using a player like Tebow in these situations gave one a better chance at converting them it would already be happening. Yeah, I think you pretty much nailed it, and the thread should stop, now. Short yardage conversions have ALWAYS been a premium importance to football teams, as every team probably faces 5-10 extremely important scenarios per game, for about 100-150 times per season. Adding in an extra 10 per year as a 2-point conversion wouldn't make any difference as the teams ALREADY CARRY GUYS whose sole, or major, value they offer teams is conversion of short yardage situations. This won't trigger teams to carry an extra TE, interior lineman, FB, or scrambling QB than it already did before, because they already valued players of this type at a high level.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 The Bleacher Report has an article about the possibility of team's now carrying two-point specialists like Tim Tebow, for example. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2483081-should-nfl-teams-really-pursue-2-point-specialists While I do believe 2 point conversions will spike this year, I don't think teams will alter their rosters in any dramatic way. We already have 2 point specialists - they're called football players. And sometimes they're called short yardage specialists. Football teams face important short yardage situations all the time and they're already built to maximize success in those situations. I think a two point specialists would be ideal as a short yardage TD specialist which is way more important
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