Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) I've never heard of this term "glue contract", but it explains why the Bills inexplicably gave Chris Kelsay a 4 year 24m deal early in the 2010 season. I guess Whaley really did learn a few things from Nix, because both have re-signed under-producing players to deals well beyond their team value. BTW, which other NFL GM's are wont to provide "glue contracts" to their veteran players who are good in the locker room? Let's stay in the present, if you please. What underperforming players who underperformed in the season before they were signed, has Whaley re-signed? asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdf (waiting) PS the "glue contract" idea is B.S. Edited June 4, 2015 by Hopeful
BarleyNY Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Here is a list of salaries of centers: http://overthecap.com/position/center This is fair criticism. He's the 9th highest paid center in the league and nowhere near the 9th best. I suspect this season - since the OG play will likely be better - will be a big one for him. If he doesn't perform well I don't know how the Bills will justify keeping him with other contracts due. Edited to add: I just looked more closely at his deal. His large signing bonus and relatively low salary will likely keep him on through 2016. Still, he hasn't been earning his contract. Edited June 4, 2015 by BarleyNY
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Here is a list of salaries of centers: http://overthecap.com/position/center This is fair criticism. He's the 9th highest paid center in the league and nowhere near the 9th best. I suspect this season - since the OG play will likely be better - will be a big one for him. If he doesn't perform well I don't know how the Bills will justify keeping him with other contracts due. Edited to add: I just looked more closely at his deal. His large signing bonus and relatively low salary will likely keep him on through 2016. Still, he hasn't been earning his contract. i dont know that hes "nowhere near 9th" and a flaw in going solely by dollar ranking is guys will always be paid a little higher than the actual slot as rookie contracts playing better than them, wont slot out ahead in pay. if you think hes a totally average guy getting paid right around the fringe of the top ten -- it isnt terribly out of line. if you think hes a flat out bad player, thats a different story though.
Manther Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Where does the fiduciary responsibility lie for this? http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2015/06/who_are_the_buffalo_bills_best_and_worst_salary_cap_values_for_2015.html Even if Wood was worth the $ that is a very high price. I wonder if Jim is "Overdorfing" it a bit. I think this will be Wood's last season with the Bills. I think he will play better this year, but, we need the cap space moving forward. That is what you call a "team glue" contract Wood has been a team player through all of it.......great in the locker room......good on the field...solid overall That is what you call a "team glue" contract Wood has been a team player through all of it.......great in the locker room......good on the field...solid overall He is below average against the run and inked the deal when we were pass happy with Chan. Or coming off a Chan season.
BillsVet Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Let's stay in the present, if you please. What underperforming players who underperformed in the season before they were signed, has Whaley re-signed? asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdf (waiting) PS the "glue contract" idea is B.S. Pro Personnel has been hit and miss the past few years and admittedly, Whaley's sample size isn't very large. I would argue however he was in transition to the GM during the winter/early spring of 2013. McKelvin and Wood are the guys who've regressed from 2013 to 2014, and both were signed in the former year. Wood has struggled more since his 2011 knee injury and it's been pretty obvious. IIRC, he admitted his level of play regressed this season and it's not fair to conflate that in the context of the entire OL, although the 2014 OL was very poor.
Best Player Available Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Pro Personnel has been hit and miss the past few years and admittedly, Whaley's sample size isn't very large. I would argue however he was in transition to the GM during the winter/early spring of 2013. McKelvin and Wood are the guys who've regressed from 2013 to 2014, and both were signed in the former year. Wood has struggled more since his 2011 knee injury and it's been pretty obvious. IIRC, he admitted his level of play regressed this season and it's not fair to conflate that in the context of the entire OL, although the 2014 OL was very poor. Wood Had injuries, but his slide IMO was when Levitre left. Wood never had to slide and help.him. He saved that for Urbik or whoever. Since Levitre has left he has had garbage on both sides of him. That said there is nothing special about him other than his attitude. Which is great. He should be serviceable until his contract plays out. I get the love for the guy but he as never sniffed any post season awards. he is a good dependable average center. Edited June 4, 2015 by Best Player Available
John from Riverside Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I find it interesting how people B word about cap space and this player not playing well and that person not doing this......without also including the reasons WHY those things might be happening. Wood is a solid center....which by the way is not (just like left tackle) THAT easy to replace.... be careful what you wish for......because the next player could also be worse instead of better.....we dont have Woods replacement on the roster. Lets see if improved OL play at the guard positions increases Woods productivity before deciding to shitcan a leader in our locker room capologists
BarleyNY Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 i dont know that hes "nowhere near 9th" and a flaw in going solely by dollar ranking is guys will always be paid a little higher than the actual slot as rookie contracts playing better than them, wont slot out ahead in pay. if you think hes a totally average guy getting paid right around the fringe of the top ten -- it isnt terribly out of line. if you think hes a flat out bad player, thats a different story though. Some of those players on their rookie deals are outplaying Wood and getting paid less, but that's part of the player turnover. The reality is that you can get a vet who can perform as well or better for less. You can get a rookie to do the same for a lot less. He's being paid a nice premium to be well above average and he's not. It was a contract that hasn't worked out for the Bills. It happens. Wood has some time to turn it around and it'll be best for him and the bills if he does. For the record, I'd say calling his play average the last couple years is charitable. I understand that the guard play has sucked so I'm willing to give him a bit of a pass, but he's got to get better or he won't be around much longer.
Jimkelly12203 Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 He hasn't been the same since Levitre left. And neither has the entire OL. It's curious because Levitre didn't exactly play well when he left either. The thing about football is it's all synergy. A combination of players may be amazing in a given scheme and with other specirifc players around them, but you take any one from that group and separate them from it and you don't get the same result.
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 He hasn't been the same since Levitre left. And neither has the entire OL. It's curious because Levitre didn't exactly play well when he left either. The thing about football is it's all synergy. A combination of players may be amazing in a given scheme and with other specirifc players around them, but you take any one from that group and separate them from it and you don't get the same result. well, you could probably easily blame the transition from chan to marrone and associated differences in the scheme.
Gugny Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 He hasn't been the same since Levitre left. And neither has the entire OL. It's curious because Levitre didn't exactly play well when he left either. The thing about football is it's all synergy. A combination of players may be amazing in a given scheme and with other specirifc players around them, but you take any one from that group and separate them from it and you don't get the same result. We can blame the flaw in the franchise tag policy for having to let Levitre go. Guards should not make the same as tackles.
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 We can blame the flaw in the franchise tag policy for having to let Levitre go. Guards should not make the same as tackles. used the tag on byrd that year, regardless. and i think they probably would have either way.
thebandit27 Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 He hasn't been the same since Levitre left. And neither has the entire OL. It's curious because Levitre didn't exactly play well when he left either. The thing about football is it's all synergy. A combination of players may be amazing in a given scheme and with other specirifc players around them, but you take any one from that group and separate them from it and you don't get the same result. You've earned your first official indeed.
BreezeMafia Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 That is what you call a "team glue" contract Wood has been a team player through all of it.......great in the locker room......good on the field...solid overall Below average center.
John from Riverside Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Below average center. Define below average..... This should be good
YoloinOhio Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) He hasn't been the same since Levitre left. And neither has the entire OL. It's curious because Levitre didn't exactly play well when he left either. The thing about football is it's all synergy. A combination of players may be amazing in a given scheme and with other specirifc players around them, but you take any one from that group and separate them from it and you don't get the same result. This is why the Bills are doing everything they can to keep the front 4 on the DL together Edited June 4, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Robert Paulson Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Define below average..... This should be good people love this guy but him getting blown 5 yards into the backfield one on one at the start of half the plays (hyperbole on the half the plays line) is not due to garbage on either side of him - he has lost strength/leverage from all his leg injuries and it shows. he'll do better this year as the scheme can only be designed better than that clusterufck last year- i expect the design will not isolate/expose him like last year did as we return to competent coaching
John from Riverside Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 people love this guy but him getting blown 5 yards into the backfield one on one at the start of half the plays (hyperbole on the half the plays line) is not due to garbage on either side of him - he has lost strength/leverage from all his leg injuries and it shows. he'll do better this year as the scheme can only be designed better than that clusterufck last year- i expect the design will not isolate/expose him like last year did as we return to competent coaching This is a totally uninformed opinion........this happens to every center in the league from time to time. Wood himself said he was not happen with his performance last year so there is no doubt he did not play well.....but to say this is soley on him and discounting "the garbage around him" is not realistic....... There are many factors that come into play on any GIVEN play as to way a center loses ground or does not lose ground on a given play.......
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 This is a totally uninformed opinion........this happens to every center in the league from time to time. Wood himself said he was not happen with his performance last year so there is no doubt he did not play well.....but to say this is soley on him and discounting "the garbage around him" is not realistic....... There are many factors that come into play on any GIVEN play as to way a center loses ground or does not lose ground on a given play....... really, for the below average crowd, i think you would be hard pressed to name 16-20 centers better. which is always the best test when throwing around casual evaluations like that. i know i surprise myself (both over and underestimating guys) before making the lists.
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