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This response is ONLY about the above bolded sentence.

 

Last seasons OL was pretty bad, but not even close to being the worst in 30 years. Remember Greg Jerman (THE worst OT I ever saw)? Joe Panos (who could barely stand up)? Jerry Ostroski sucked but even he wasn't the worst. I wish I had time to post the names of the rest of these disasters. Remember the free agent guard we signed from Carolina? Who was the 6th round pick from Houston? Players would hit out qbs late sometimes drawing blood, and this horror show wouldn't even help the qb up. Someone please help me here with some more names.

 

Compared to what we have seen since the mid nineties, this OL was better than average. Sad but true.

Marcus Spriggs, Jamie Nails, Robert Hicks, Victor Allotey, Tom Nutten, Mike Rockwood, Mike Pucillo... but hey, who's keeping track?

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Jon Carmen

Dylan McFarland

Terrence Pennington

Mike Gandy

Lawrence Smith

Mike Pucillo

 

Just off the top of my head

Nice work!!!

Marcus Spriggs, Jamie Nails Robert Hicks, Victor Allotey, Tom Nutten, Mike Rockwood, Mike Pucillo... but hey, who's keeping track?

Yep. Allow me to toss in Coery Louchiey, Bill Conaty and Corbin Lacina for good measure. Remember the OC Fowler? He would get shoved to the ground by small linebackers.

 

Looks like we made our cases, no?

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EJ still looks like he tries to 'aim' passes rather than throwing passes sometimes. He did this at FSU also.

 

side note: Corbin Lacina wasn't a terrible player

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You coming across as troll but Joe Flacco and EJ Manuel had very similar rookie year.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlacJo00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/ManuEJ00.htm

 

Does it mean Manuel will be good as Flacco? Of course not. but it shows QBs need time to develop. There were plenty of people questioning Flacco before he won a SB.

coming across as troll?

It appears obvious to me

 

Imo

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One game out of the many good qbs they faced. Ej manuel is no joe flacco rest assured.

Do you know what the word substance and relevance mean? If you do, do you ever post anything related to those two words? If not, try to i promise it wont hurt. Also ej manuel is ranked 49/50 qbs only qb he beat out is weeden.m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2330912-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-50-quarterbacks-from-2014

huh what?

 

sorry I don't deal well with trolls

the problem is -Trolls don't talk with substance and relevance

they often dodge the main point and twist the subject

 

Here is something of substance and relevance

STATS LIE, and sometimes so does the Eye Test

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huh what?

 

sorry I don't deal well with trolls

the problem is -Trolls don't talk with substance and relevance

they often dodge the main point and twist the subject

 

Here is something of substance and relevance

STATS LIE, and sometimes so does the Eye Test

 

Not to defend anyone, however not ALL stats lie and I would like anyone to point out what EJ does well, and what he has improved upon. I've looked at all kind if stats for EJ and none paint a veryb good picture.

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Not to defend anyone, however not ALL stats lie and I would like anyone to point out what EJ does well, and what he has improved upon. I've looked at all kind if stats for EJ and none paint a veryb good picture.

 

There are two things that I don't think anyone can deny that he does well: he extends plays with his legs, and he does a very good job of working the deep seam.

 

By contrast, there are two things that I think he does poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy.

 

Everything else falls somewhere in between.

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EJ still looks like he tries to 'aim' passes rather than throwing passes sometimes. He did this at FSU also.

 

side note: Corbin Lacina wasn't a terrible player

 

Lacina is probably a very good human being. But, as I recall, the guy had no agility.

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There are two things that I don't think anyone can deny that he does well: he extends plays with his legs, and he does a very good job of working the deep seam.

 

By contrast, there are two things that I think he does poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy.

 

Everything else falls somewhere in between.

Nutshell.

 

GO BILLS!!!

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Not to defend anyone, however not ALL stats lie and I would like anyone to point out what EJ does well, and what he has improved upon. I've looked at all kind if stats for EJ and none paint a veryb good picture.

correct used correctly stats are very valuable.

however implementing stats in a correct manner is not a simple as posting yardage gained

 

2 deep passes or 2 long runs of 20 - 30 yds or more can really make your stats phenomenal and hide the otherwise 2 to 3 ypc average for that game or season

honestly 6 - 8 career WL isn't too bad for a rookie to start out with when he has a HC with his head up his arse.

 

Stats good sir can't factor in idiot HC's crappy game plans, or continuously playing against the best defenses in the league while your peers play poorer defenses.

 

By contrast, there are two things that I think he does poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy.

this is something only playing time can fix. If not then we can move on with the next best guess @ QB.

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this is something only playing time can fix. If not then we can move on with the next best guess @ QB.

 

I think that's partially true with regard to trusting what he sees, although I'm hoping the practice habits and communication with the coaching staff that he saw from Orton taught him a thing or two about preparing. You can think you're doing everything you need to be doing, while not actually be doing everything.

 

As to the lower-body mechanics, that, IMO, has little to do with playing time. He needs to work on that day and night until it's consistent, or his accuracy will continue to suffer. Yes, it can be fixed; no, it won't be easy.

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....I would like anyone to point out what EJ....has improved upon. I've looked at all kind if stats for EJ and none paint a veryb good picture.

In his 4 games last year, EJ showed large improvement when he was flushed from the pocket. In 2013, when this occurred he rarely(never?) looked up field for a receiving target. He apparently worked on this in that offseason and in 2014 this was corrected and he was much improved in that situation.

 

I am far removed from having talent evaluating skills and even I noticed this in his games last year.

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There are two things that I don't think anyone can deny that he does well: he extends plays with his legs, and he does a very good job of working the deep seam.

 

By contrast, there are two things that I think he does everything poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy. Plays like a janitor and we would be better of with Dan McGwire, at age 48.

I've fixed this up to reflect the way that select posters who have agendas seem to see it. ;)

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There are two things that I don't think anyone can deny that he does well: he extends plays with his legs, and he does a very good job of working the deep seam.

 

By contrast, there are two things that I think he does poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy.

 

Everything else falls somewhere in between.

 

He does extend plays with his legs, and has learned to not take as many hits. Has he improved in the aspects that

make a better QB? Reads, decision making, accuracy, progressions?

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He does extend plays with his legs, and has learned to not take as many hits. Has he improved in the aspects that

make a better QB? Reads, decision making, accuracy, progressions?

 

Reads, decision-making, and progressions are pretty much all ways of saying the same thing; as I said, one of his faults is not trusting what he sees.

 

His accuracy issues stem almost 100% from the flaws in his lower-body mechanics.

 

We shall see if he's improved in either of those areas.

 

His deep throws certainly have gotten better from where he started early on in his rookie season, and I thought he did a better job at putting the ball up in space for his receivers to make a play last year as well.

 

Now, that's not enough, but I think everyone pretty much acknowledges that at this point.

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He does extend plays with his legs, and has learned to not take as many hits. Has he improved in the aspects that

make a better QB? Reads, decision making, accuracy, progressions?

well thanks to Doug Marrone we don't know

 

we should know and now all we have is speculation an to wait for live action play

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well thanks to Doug Marrone we don't know

 

we should know and now all we have is speculation an to wait for live action play

good thing the Coaches have something tangible to chew upon, in regard to EJ this year coming!

This is a trust in the Coaches situation. Because we really dont know and its not just EJ its Tyrod too.

We have only to guess What Ryan and Roman are thinking

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