C.Biscuit97 Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 @JoeBuscaglia: COLUMN: Without progress, EJ Manuel could very well be done with the Buffalo #Bills http://t.co/tDagTHH1ab I used to like Buscaglia but this is the garbage I can't stand. He has an axe to grind with EJ. Probably he is jealous that he was a star QB at FSU taking down hot girls while he was some geeky nobody who couldn't last at FSU. It's so petty. I'm so sick of this talk. Let's just see them play. I prefer EJ and then Taylor. It's crazy that EJ, who was in almost everyway a better prospect than Taylor or Cassel, gets discounted. But dude needs to prove it.
K D Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Leroi said this and everyone went nuts. I agree that if they decide to move on from EJ then they will want him off the team. It doesn't make financial sense but in the locker room you want the guys to know this is so and so's team. If Cassel wins the job then I bet they extend his contract and trade EJ for a 7th rounder. This coaching staff has no ties to EJ so it will be easy to move on. Or EJ might shock the world and win the starting job. Who knows!
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Leroi said this and everyone went nuts. I agree that if they decide to move on from EJ then they will want him off the team. It doesn't make financial sense but in the locker room you want the guys to know this is so and so's team. If Cassel wins the job then I bet they extend his contract and trade EJ for a 7th rounder. This coaching staff has no ties to EJ so it will be easy to move on. Or EJ might shock the world and win the starting job. Who knows! Of course if Chip Kelly claimed EJ if he was cut, that should mean something. Ryan doesn't exactly have a great history of developing QBs.
truth on hold Posted May 18, 2015 Author Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Leroi said this and everyone went nuts. I agree that if they decide to move on from EJ then they will want him off the team. It doesn't make financial sense but in the locker room you want the guys to know this is so and so's team. If Cassel wins the job then I bet they extend his contract and trade EJ for a 7th rounder. This coaching staff has no ties to EJ so it will be easy to move on. Or EJ might shock the world and win the starting job. Who knows! Given that is a sunk cost it may make financial sense depending who they use the roster spot for. If it's a vet minimum or mid to lower round rookie contract, then the all-in cost of EJ contract + the other guy may still be palpable. Better that than paying the majority of the same money for a guy theyve given up on taking a roster spot Edited May 18, 2015 by JTSP
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Of course if Chip Kelly claimed EJ if he was cut, that should mean something. Ryan doesn't exactly have a great history of developing QBs. neither did a lot of other failed first time HC's Bellyache and Pete Carroll for example
papazoid Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 story picking up steam...now on PFT Report: EJ Manuel may not make the Bills’ 53-man roster http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/18/report-ej-manuel-may-not-make-the-bills-53-man-roster/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs
H2o Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I've seen Tyrod play many games at VT and have seen him in his limited action with the Ravens. He CAN throw the football. He's not just another running QB. He's an athletic QB who can throw the football. Looking at Roman's track record with QB's he surely fits the mold. Corey Graham speaks highly of him as well and they are former teammates on the Ravens. I think he could really surprise some people here. It also helps that he got to sit behind Flacco for a few years and learn from one of the game's better QB's. As far as us washing our hands of EJ? Idk, but if he doesn't look improved in any way then nothing would surprise me.
FireChan Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I used to like Buscaglia but this is the garbage I can't stand. He has an axe to grind with EJ. Probably he is jealous that he was a star QB at FSU taking down hot girls while he was some geeky nobody who couldn't last at FSU. It's so petty. I'm so sick of this talk. Let's just see them play. I prefer EJ and then Taylor. It's crazy that EJ, who was in almost everyway a better prospect than Taylor or Cassel, gets discounted. But dude needs to prove it. This is even worse.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) If EJ does not show much in camp and in the preseason, this new regime isn't likely to keep him around. Keeping him around in that circumstance would mean he has to sit. Nothing will change with that being the case so why bother? Why bother? Bother because in the NFL, QB get injured. Cassel is 33 yrs old and has had multiple injuries in his career including MCL, hand, head (read: another concussion could Kolb him) and most recently broken foot (did Schaub ever come back fully from his broken foot?). At least he'll never miss a game because of appendicitis (joke). Bother because Tyrod Tayler is a little guy (for an NFL QB) who has yet to play enough in the NFL to tell if he's durable, and as a QB who runs and extends plays with his feet, he's at risk for injury. Even if EJ doesn't win the job as a starter, he's already paid for and EJ has shown enough to believe that if he had to come in he would likely be better than some dude signed off the scrap heap. story picking up steam...now on PFT Report: EJ Manuel may not make the Bills’ 53-man roster http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/18/report-ej-manuel-may-not-make-the-bills-53-man-roster/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs Meh. Motivational preseason fodder. They're just quoting Joe Buscaglia, and they point out several reasons why the move would make no sense for the Bills. Edited May 18, 2015 by Hopeful
Homey D. Clown Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I will root for EJ to be on the team because it will mean he has taken the next step I will root for him too, simply because he deserves the opportunity to show he has(May have) the skills to win the job. If he still looks like a project, you(as a team) really need to move on.
Flip Johnson Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 story picking up steam...now on PFT Report: EJ Manuel may not make the Bills’ 53-man roster http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/18/report-ej-manuel-may-not-make-the-bills-53-man-roster/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs They are just quoting Buscaglia. I suspect Joe's new gig with ch. 7 has him doing some speculative reporting to generate traffic. He doesn't have inside info and is just creating a scenario that doesn't make monetary sense. This notion came from Carucci, not an source inside the Bills. Furthermore, Carucci is one of the few people claiming that EJ will be the starter at the beginning of the year.
YoloinOhio Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 They are just quoting Buscaglia. I suspect Joe's new gig with ch. 7 has him doing some speculative reporting to generate traffic. He doesn't have inside info and is just creating a scenario that doesn't make monetary sense. This notion came from Carucci, not an source inside the Bills. Furthermore, Carucci is one of the few people claiming that EJ will be the starter at the beginning of the year. of all the "reporters" I think Carucci is one of the most credible in terms of his sources. Jmo.
Flip Johnson Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 of all the "reporters" I think Carucci is one of the most credible in terms of his sources. Jmo. So do I. And Carucci thinks EJ will start in wk. 1. He is just saying that he thinks a case can be made that the Bills won't keep EJ around as a backup if he can't win the job. Joe B. is spinning that into an "EJ is in trouble" narrative.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 So do I. And Carucci thinks EJ will start in wk. 1. He is just saying that he thinks a case can be made that the Bills won't keep EJ around as a backup if he can't win the job. Joe B. is spinning that into an "EJ is in trouble" narrative. And of course, "if he doesn't improve" he is in trouble. That's some keen insight, JB.
Lurker Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 @JoeBuscaglia: COLUMN: Without progress, EJ Manuel could very well be done with the Buffalo #Bills http://t.co/tDagTHH1ab Huh. That didn't seem to be a problem for Joe in landing his WKBW gig. Go figure...
What a Tuel Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Thanks, I do appreciate the article with the link to what Carucci originally said rather than to one journalist quoting another journalist (I repeat, sure sign of a lazy journalistic time) I don't agree with Carucci's arguments - for example, if Cassel starts, I would think it would depend upon who looks better as a potential backup, Tyrod or Manuel? If Manuel > Tyrod, why would they cut Manuel, especially at the cost of a $3M cap hit this year? If Tyrod > Manuel in preseason, I would also still think they would want to see if that's true when the score counts on Sunday. Tuel looked better in preseason than he did when put into a reg. season game. Tyrod was a mixed bag, overall "meh" in the one regular season game he played. Carucci is entitled to his opinion - he may be right, then again he may be wrong. This on the other hand, is a pretty good X's and O's analysis of some of the plays where Manuel was dumping off instead of throwing downfield that may have lead to his benching. And I imagine the coaches will be carefully analyzing the all-22 film of all the QB to see if there is improvement in recognizing the open receivers and throwing downfield, and if Manuel is consistently missing open men that Cassel and Taylor are miles ahead in recognizing and trying to exploit, the Bills just might go with two QB on the roster and a $3M cap hit. No problem, you got me thinking that his actual words might clarify it. I completely agree though. Tyrod and Cassel have to show they are head and shoulders above Manuel before we cut him. If it is really "Cassel's job to lose" then I would rather Manuel be our backup than Taylor. I know fans are seduced by the unknown factor with Taylor, but just like Manuel, he has to prove he can actually do something to deserve that hype.
dave mcbride Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Cutting him really doesn't make sense, but if they can trade him it would. I seriously doubt that happens if he proves in camp to be a guy the Bills want to unload. That is, he would be playing poorly. Why would other teams trade for that?
Kelly the Dog Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Cutting him really doesn't make sense, but if they can trade him it would. I seriously doubt that happens if he proves in camp to be a guy the Bills want to unload. That is, he would be playing poorly. Why would other teams trade for that? i personally don't think he is going to start, or get cut, or get traded. It's possible if Taylor lights it up and they only want to keep two active QBs because of want for other players at different positions to keep on the team. I'm sure that's a real consideration. That said, another team may trade a 6 or 7 pick for him because even if he didn't show all that much in the preseason, he still has a better chance of being a legitimate NFL starter or solid backup than any random 6th or 7th round pick. Far better. Edited May 18, 2015 by Kelly the Dog
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 story picking up steam...now on PFT Report: EJ Manuel may not make the Bills’ 53-man roster http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/18/report-ej-manuel-may-not-make-the-bills-53-man-roster/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs They're just reiterating what Joe B. said. When PFT does offer it's own opinion on the subject they start out by saying it's awfully unlikely and list reasons why. At no point does PFT say they think it's going to happen.
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